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« Reply #780 on: 09:12:55, 01-09-2008 » |
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We are currently doing so but OH OUR GOD rapidshare's name is proving for us sadly ironic. Not all their servers are equal and Deutsche Telekom which we hope you did not get is the worst! We find it best to click on their "Advanced download settings" and specifically select "GlobalCrossing" (1 or 2) or Cogent (1 or 2) - although your mileage may vary. |
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« Reply #781 on: 10:02:07, 01-09-2008 » |
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Occasional contributor Tantris has posted on this blog download links for a 3 1/2 hour documentary on Stockhausen's Licht from SWR2, with examples from all the operas. Thanks Tantris. Thanks Richard - I must pay more attention to that blog. |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #782 on: 10:05:41, 01-09-2008 » |
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Although both are quite long I found myself thinking they could both have gone on all night and I wouldn't have minded. Which is a good thing, especially since I'll be playing a third of Balance before too long.
That is indeed most heartening news. I hope I have the opportunity to hear these pieces before very long. |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #783 on: 10:15:36, 01-09-2008 » |
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composers (so-called) such as the late unlamented Stockhausen This I find an extremely distasteful turn of phrase and I suggest that you remove it. |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #784 on: 12:20:49, 05-09-2008 » |
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I've just received a brochure from the South Bank Centre about their upcoming Messiaen event (which, as usual, I'll miss most of) but I was intrigued by the mention on the back page of their Stockhausen week in November. "Curated by his trusted interpreter, Oliver Knussen", it says. How many premieres of Stockhausen pieces during his lifetime were conducted by Knussen? None. How many recordings of Stockhausen's music has Knussen made? None. Where does this "trusted interpreter" epithet come from? Why could they not have put this festival in the hands of someone appropriate?
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« Reply #785 on: 12:25:52, 05-09-2008 » |
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"Curated by his trusted interpreter, Oliver Knussen", it says. More than that, I'm trying to think whether I've seen Knussen's name attached to ANY Stockhausen performance of note... nothing springs to mind. But anyway, this is surely the usual lazy marketing flannel employed by the SouthBank (and many many others) these days. |
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« Reply #786 on: 12:42:03, 05-09-2008 » |
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I've just received a brochure from the South Bank Centre about their upcoming Messiaen event (which, as usual, I'll miss most of) but I was intrigued by the mention on the back page of their Stockhausen week in November. "Curated by his trusted interpreter, Oliver Knussen", it says. How many premieres of Stockhausen pieces during his lifetime were conducted by Knussen? None. How many recordings of Stockhausen's music has Knussen made? None. Where does this "trusted interpreter" epithet come from? Why could they not have put this festival in the hands of someone appropriate?
This is curious, isn't it? I never thought of Knussen as a prime advocate of Stockhausen's work, although I've a feeling - I may be wrong - that the performance of some of the Tierkreis pieces he conducted with the London Sinfonietta 2 or 3 years ago was a premiere (or at least a London premiere) of new orchestrations by the composer. But I was told by someone who didn't seem to be fibbing (or have any particular reason to) that Stockhausen had phoned O.K. the night before he died to tell him he'd just finished a new orchestral piece. Is it possible they'd become friendly in recent years, but the friendship hadn't yet had time to translate into significant performing activity? I'm not saying this is true, just wondering if there might after all be some truth to what as martle says is no doubt mainly marketing bumph. |
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richard barrett
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« Reply #787 on: 12:55:41, 05-09-2008 » |
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Stockhausen had phoned O.K. the night before he died to tell him he'd just finished a new orchestral piece. That would be the final version of Tierkreis which will be premiered in this festival. I just think it's a shame that, exactly as you might expect from OK's relentlessly mainstream credentials, Stockhausen's more experimental work and his electronic music are massively underrepresented in comparison to those things which fit nicely into a traditional sort of classical concert. In particular, the important strand in KS's work represented principally by Mikrophonie I, Prozession, Kurzwellen, Spiral, Aus den sieben Tagen and Für kommende Zeiten is completely ignored, as are the serial pieces from the 1950s. Cronyism scores over integrity once again. |
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« Reply #788 on: 17:50:36, 05-09-2008 » |
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OK conducted a concert of Stockhausen's music with the London Sinfonietta about 10 years ago - I don't remember the exact programme but it contained Der Jahreslauf. OK wanted to perform Luzifer's Tanz at the time (which I believe is in this November's programme?) but wasn't given the resources to do so, so it was Der Jahreslauf instead. He worked with KS on preparations for this performance. He also performed Gruppen at his last year at Tanglewood in 1995. How many premieres of Stockhausen pieces during his lifetime were conducted by Knussen? None. How many recordings of Stockhausen's music has Knussen made? None.
He's made a recording (multichannel SACD) of Gruppen, with (I think) Reinbert de Leeuw and Robert Spano. Unfortunately I think it's already unavailable. As far as premieres are concerned, I don't think that's relevant. He's performed the music, premiere or not, because he loves it and he wanted to do it. But I was told by someone who didn't seem to be fibbing (or have any particular reason to) that Stockhausen had phoned O.K. the night before he died to tell him he'd just finished a new orchestral piece. Is it possible they'd become friendly in recent years, but the friendship hadn't yet had time to translate into significant performing activity? This is true (the first part). They had been speaking for some time about this year's South Bank event, which I'm pretty sure was partly OK's idea in the first place (along with Gillian Moore). Ollie is very passionate about Stockhausen's music, and has, I think, a list of pieces he'd like to do, including both 'classics' and newer pieces. He really gets very animated when talking about KS's music. Obviously none of this in itself necessarily makes him a 'trusted interpreter' which does seem like a lazy marketing-phrase, but I think it's unfair to imply that "they (whoever they are) have put this in the hands of" someone inappropriate. I don't think "they" would be doing it without OK in the first place, quite honestly. |
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« Reply #789 on: 17:59:15, 05-09-2008 » |
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He's made a recording (multichannel SACD) of Gruppen, with (I think) Reinbert de Leeuw and Robert Spano. Unfortunately I think it's already unavailable.
Confirmed: it turned up in the (very) limited edition ASKO/Schoenberg ensemble box a couple of years ago, heavily recommended by Bryn at the time. |
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« Reply #790 on: 18:03:33, 05-09-2008 » |
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partly OK's idea in the first place (along with Gillian Moore). (...) I don't think "they" would be doing it without OK in the first place, quite honestly. See what I mean? Nothing you say alters in any way my opinion that OK is absolutely the wrong person to put on something like this. He may be passionate about Stockhausen and have a list of pieces he wants to do, but that doesn't mean much next to the fact that he has a completely one-sided view of the range of Stockhausen's work, as is clearly apparent from the programming. |
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« Reply #791 on: 18:26:05, 05-09-2008 » |
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See what I mean?
Not really - but fair enough - I just wanted to put another point of view. I like the look of the programme myself, and while you're right that the 'intuitive music' side of Stockhausen is not represented, there's plenty of very-rarely-performed (at least on these shores) music there. It's also largely different stuff from what Stockhausen himself has brought on his last few forays to Britain (and I don't remember him programming any of the Mikrophonie I, Prozession, Kurzwellen, Spiral, Aus den sieben Tagen and Für kommende Zeiten strand of his work, or the serial music, in his recent concerts). I don't expect you to agree with me about OK, but I did think it was worth correcting the claim that he's never recorded anything.  |
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« Reply #792 on: 18:31:58, 05-09-2008 » |
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Pending funding etc., there may be a weekend of Stockhausen in Edinburgh in 2009 featuring performances of Plus Minus, Prozession, parts of Aus den Sieben Tagen, Sternklang (in one of the central Edinburgh parks, fingers crossed), a few of the Klavierstücke, Solo and possibly Mantra and Stimmung. I'd also like to do Musik im Bauch but I can't really see that one happening. If any members would like to be involved, just drop me a line.
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« Reply #793 on: 18:11:53, 07-09-2008 » |
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I just dropped in while listening to a marvellous performance of Messiaen's St Francis of Assisi; thanks for providing a link to the Licht-Collage I put up on inconstant sol, which I hope some of you are enjoying. Elsewhere on that blog, amongst the marvellous free jazz (with a lot of Anthony Braxton), you'll also find Xenakis and Finnissy, and I'll probably put some similar music up before too long - although a very recent concert of Braxton's Diamond Curtain Wall Quartet at Tivoli is likely to be first in the queue.
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richard barrett
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« Reply #794 on: 18:30:48, 07-09-2008 » |
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a very recent concert of Braxton's Diamond Curtain Wall Quartet at Tivoli is likely to be first in the queue.
The sooner the better! Thanks again for the SWR programme. (BTW not all the track IDs are correct!) |
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