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IgnorantRockFan
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« Reply #75 on: 09:33:03, 31-08-2007 »

I remember one of them telling us that employers wouldn't look at us if we had long hair.

My dad once threatened to sack an apprentice who wouldn't cut his hair. *

This was in the days before "tribunals" I think  Grin



( * To be fair, his reasons were health and safety (it was dangling in the machines) and I think they came to some sort of  hair-net compromise )

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« Reply #76 on: 09:42:20, 31-08-2007 »

they came to some sort of  hair-net compromise
Another 1960s icon, anyone?
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« Reply #77 on: 12:30:07, 31-08-2007 »

I remember ~1968 one of my school-mates having long and very untidy hair, was sent home 'to get that hair cut!


Next day he came in with his head SHAVED!

He was sent home again.
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« Reply #78 on: 14:33:57, 31-08-2007 »

my grandparents were swinging cats

Which as long as you have room to swing a cat is OK I suppose...

A note of Caution at this point. We have quite a few cats here to experiment with, and none of them were particularly keen to remain in the swing for more than a few seconds. They do have natural defences and anyone proposing to repeat our experiments is advised to wear suitable protective clothing.

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« Reply #79 on: 15:32:32, 31-08-2007 »

This swinging cat looks pretty harmless to me Kitty...



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« Reply #80 on: 15:43:50, 31-08-2007 »

Not entirely harmless. My swinging brother knocked out his wife while practicing his swing  Shocked
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« Reply #81 on: 19:17:50, 31-08-2007 »

I wouldn't really say today's music far more 'homogeneous' at all. This notion seems unexamined.

The notion that the Beatles were solely a marketing success implies there is a formula to be repeated over and over again. But for one pop star that succeeds, one hundred others fail, and if they succeed it won't be to that extent - from most accounts the record industry hadn't a clue, which is for instance why a lot of the classical avant-garde made it onto LP in a big way in the 60s but there is no way in hell that many young (or older) composers could ever hope to get a CD release - the possibilities have been closed, not so much by the labels but by the times in which we live (music is just one part of multiple entertainments, etc.)
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« Reply #82 on: 19:48:33, 31-08-2007 »

I wouldn't really say today's music far more 'homogeneous' at all.
 
I do think it would be very difficult for one of today's mass-circulation artists to go off in the kind of direction the Beatles did after 1966 (including giving up touring) and retain the support of their promoters. The industry has in the meantime "learned" not to take risks to the same degree, don't you think? You say this yourself really, in saying that most composers no longer have the opportunity to reach a wider audience through (widely-promoted) recordings. I'm not sure about the distinction you make between the industry and "the times in which we live". These "times" have been defined, haven't they, by phenomena like corporate globalisation, one aspect of which is indeed the homogenisation of culture I'm referring to.
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« Reply #83 on: 21:50:57, 31-08-2007 »

The Beatles are very much a one-off, therefore I'd be vary of drawing on their relationship to the industry as as some kind of model for other artists. But EMI supporting an artist such as Radiohead (whom I dislike), were they to stop touring, wouldn't be such a surprise to me. The Clash (also dislike them), to take another example, wouldn't play Top of the Pops and yet that didn't stop them from being supported by CBS. But to return to the Beatles, that wsn't really much of a risk, surely...

Punk is a perfect example that shows how record companies simply never learn.

When I talked about 'homogeneous' I guess I ws referring to what I hear in the charts where there is a range of things, I can still find myself surprised that something will chart (whether anyone thinks its music or not is kind of like whether photography should be displayed in art galleries type talk to me - of course it is music as it will argued about its qualities as music, just as the photograph will be talked about as an artwork as we walk around the gallery) - where it might be different is that its operating in a world where music is a smaller part of the picture, where computer games, etc. have a big presence, which isn't simply due to corporate globalisation. I think its almost impossible for anyone to reach a v wide audience bcz of this fragmentation.
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« Reply #84 on: 22:55:11, 31-08-2007 »

I remember ~1968 one of my school-mates having long and very untidy hair, was sent home 'to get that hair cut!


Next day he came in with his head SHAVED!

He was sent home again.

Wow! Wish I'd had the courage to do that!

I had some clashes with my headmaster over hair length and he sent me home once to cut my sideburns. He let his obsession with hair length (he wouldn't let your hair even touch the top of your ears!) dominate the way he ran the school and it certainly alienated one of his best pupils viz me!  Cheesy

PS I love the Clash!!!!
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« Reply #85 on: 23:17:51, 31-08-2007 »

I remember at a school disco (horrible thought, so 1970s) someone brought in the album of the musical Hair to be played, but the teachers wouldn't allow it. Another sort of hair ban at school.
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« Reply #86 on: 23:22:24, 31-08-2007 »

PS I love the Clash!!!!
So do I. Wonder what xyzzzz__ doesn't like about them. Undecided

Tony, what did the teachers allow to be played, out of interest? My dad used to turn up at work parties in the '70s with Blondie/Siouxsie etc. tapes which he'd labelled 'Sheena Easton'. It's the only way he could get them to play the music he liked, though I'm not sure how long it lasted after they pressed play ...
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« Reply #87 on: 23:37:18, 31-08-2007 »

I wonder whether any of the teachers had actually heard the music to Hair but it had a reputation as a controversial show and they were worried about sexual lyrics, I suppose.
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« Reply #88 on: 12:10:44, 01-09-2007 »

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He let his obsession with hair length (he wouldn't let your hair even touch the top of your ears!) dominate the way he ran the school

He sounds horribly familiar to mine. My Headmaster's most notorious achievement was to expel a sixth-former because he'd published a novel (admittedly titled "The Punk"). The book was (much) later made into a C4 film [http://www.channel4.com/film/reviews/film.jsp?id=107361], although its author didn't live to see the movie version.
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« Reply #89 on: 14:35:11, 01-09-2007 »

Reiner, I must say I am mystified by that story.

I too had a fairly alarmingly reactionary headmaster (the school hall was regularly rented out to the Monday Club!) but even he would struggled to have justified expelling someone on the basis that they had published a novel, whether or not it was called 'The Punk'. Surely a cause for celebration in any education system -  even if the Head had privately disapproved of its content, publicly wouldn't he have to join in the applause?

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