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« Reply #16 on: 20:31:32, 06-09-2007 » |
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Thanks for that, incre!
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« Reply #17 on: 20:43:34, 06-09-2007 » |
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Yes. many thanks ! Had a listen to the Chorale (no 3) and was a bit disappointed, not least because the pianos weren't a quartertone apart ! And some high misread notes early on. And some dodgy ensemble in places (triplets minims were a laugh). Engaging if soulless.
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« Reply #18 on: 20:51:14, 06-09-2007 » |
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autoharp, is there a comercial recording of the 3 Quarter-tone Pieces you would recommend? Aimard's seems a bit of a cheat, being multitracked. What about Selzer and Sachs (on Naxos), or Henck and Richards (on Wergo)?
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« Reply #19 on: 20:59:39, 06-09-2007 » |
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Dunno Bryn. Can't remember ! I'll look into what I have.
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« Reply #20 on: 21:04:28, 06-09-2007 » |
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Yes. many thanks ! Had a listen to the Chorale (no 3) and was a bit disappointed, not least because the pianos weren't a quartertone apart ! And some high misread notes early on. And some dodgy ensemble in places (triplets minims were a laugh). Engaging if soulless.
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HMMMM. Well then. I await any recommendation of other recordings that you might later request. (I have listened to them all. I am not sure what I think; I definitely think that they would sound much better in the flesh). |
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« Reply #21 on: 21:06:13, 06-09-2007 » |
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 This got generally good reviews earlier this year, though I haven't heard it yet. |
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« Reply #22 on: 21:10:21, 06-09-2007 » |
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Well I quite like Schleiermacher's Cage, Satie, Riley,Glass, etc., so I have jsut ordered that one, t_i_n. Re. Aimard, it is just possible that that he is joined by Lubimov, but the credits on the rear insert of my CD only credit Lubimov with the Concord Sonata, and not the Quarter-tone Pieces.
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« Reply #23 on: 07:54:16, 08-09-2007 » |
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And right on Autoharp's cue (not to be confused with Autocue's harp) Charles Ives is next week's Composer of the Week.
The Quartertone Pieces are being played on Friday 14th in the Alexei Lubimov and Pierre-Laurent Aimard recording (the Radio Times reckons they are both playing). And, no, I won't be able to tell whether they are exactly a quarter-tone apart or not. I'll come out waving a white flag on that one before we even start.
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« Reply #24 on: 08:21:53, 08-09-2007 » |
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GG, I reckon it probably was the pair of 'em who made the recording, especially as both the Concord, and the Quarter-tone Pieces were recorded in the same place during the same sessions, but the credits on the liner are quite specifiic, (and probably wrong). Anyone here got the original issue, rather then the Apex cheapy that I have? Perhaps that tells a different story.
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« Reply #25 on: 16:38:14, 08-09-2007 » |
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Why do you suppose they didn't bother recording all the Ouichenjegraçki preludes? That's one reason to hesitate before plucking up the Hat Hut disc.
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« Reply #26 on: 21:21:12, 13-09-2007 » |
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I've got the Apex Three Quarter-tone Pieces and I've always assumed it was Alexei Lubomiv & Pierre-Laurent Aimard.
Anyone got any comments about his alleged homophobia/misogyny? I've just read an article defending him on the basis (more or less) that everyone was like that then. I heard the 2nd quartet on Tuesday and it sounded to me from the introduction as though he were saying "no women or poofs can play this" (I paraphrase). I find this a very difficult area ie can you still like the music of someone with whom you fundamentally disagree?
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« Reply #27 on: 21:49:51, 13-09-2007 » |
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You might find this, (that's a link, by the way), of interest. |
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« Reply #28 on: 22:09:42, 13-09-2007 » |
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That's the article I was referring to in my post - I can't accept the author's arguments. But I'm prepared to be convinced.
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« Reply #29 on: 22:14:53, 13-09-2007 » |
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The second case [claiming that Ives's regular use of effeminacy as an insult is not homophobic as such] is more difficult to make, and many will not be convinced by it - but I'm going to make it anyway. For what it's worth, this gay man over here is entirely convinced by KG's arguments there, although I'm not as well up as I might be on possible other instances of homophobia in Ives's writings and I don't mean to claim that there aren't any. But as far as the two points KG addresses goes, I'm happy with his responses. |
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