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« Reply #15 on: 09:21:15, 31-07-2008 »
Quote from: richard barrett on 19:19:36, 30-07-2008
Quote from: Don Basilio on 18:54:49, 30-07-2008
The one I saw today for £6 was Paul Crossley on the ivories, under the baton of Esa-Pekka Salonen.  Worth a try?

No! Don't do it! Salonen does Messiaen in such a tidied-up, bloodless, er, Protestant kind of way which I for one find quite offputting.

Thank you, Richard. I saw this recording at Correct in Rotterdam last week for only one euro but now I'm glad I didn't buy it.

I always felt sympathy for Marius Constant's recording of L'Ascension (I suppose it's also in that Warner collection) and I wouldn't call that one bloodless or Protestant.

Off topic: the first time I saw John Carpenter's Halloween (I think I was twelve years old) the film opened with the Warner logo:



Now I always have to think of this fellow when I see that logo on a CD cover:



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« Reply #16 on: 09:51:11, 31-07-2008 »
Quote from: richard barrett on 19:19:36, 30-07-2008

No! Don't do it! Salonen does Messiaen in such a tidied-up, bloodless, er, Protestant kind of way which I for one find quite offputting.

That's enough to put me off.  Has he done Charles Ives' General Booth Entering Heaven, which is Protestantism washed in the blood of the lamb?
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« Reply #17 on: 10:11:15, 31-07-2008 »
Quote from: pim_derks on 09:21:15, 31-07-2008
Quote from: richard barrett on 19:19:36, 30-07-2008
Quote from: Don Basilio on 18:54:49, 30-07-2008
The one I saw today for £6 was Paul Crossley on the ivories, under the baton of Esa-Pekka Salonen.  Worth a try?

No! Don't do it! Salonen does Messiaen in such a tidied-up, bloodless, er, Protestant kind of way which I for one find quite offputting.

Thank you, Richard. I saw this recording at Correct in Rotterdam last week for only one euro but now I'm glad I didn't buy it.

Hm - I don't think I would have gone for it for sick squid either but for such small change what's there to lose? I probably would have grabbed it just to check I remembered rightly that it wasn't much chop (I had it some decades ago but sold it on post haste... and for rather more than a euro) Smiley

(I do hope Crossley plays the ebonies as well by the way...)
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« Reply #18 on: 10:33:09, 31-07-2008 »
Salonen's Turangalīla isn't, however, as bad as his Des canyons aux étoiles with the London Sinfonietta, in which I don't hear the slightest hint of the awe that is at the centre of this piece (which I think makes it my favourite among his pieces, since I can share wholeheartedly in what I perceive the music to be about). I was horribly disappointed by this recording when it came out (as the first digital recording of the work), expecting it to improve somehow on Marius Constant's original recording, which indeed nobody really has I think.
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« Reply #19 on: 10:34:47, 31-07-2008 »
Quote from: oliver sudden on 10:11:15, 31-07-2008
I probably would have grabbed it just to check I remembered rightly that it wasn't much chop (I had it some decades ago but sold it on post haste... and for rather more than a euro)

I'm too lazy for doing something like that, Mr Sudden.
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« Reply #20 on: 18:04:30, 01-08-2008 »
Gosh, you can download the Turangalila on itunes for less than £8.  No notes of course.

I downloaded La Transfiguration the other day, as I have the text from my programme on Sunday, so I will concentrate on getting to know that better.

Things you didn't know about OM.  He was interned in Silesia - well you probably know that - but the other great creative artist interned in Silesia by the Nazis was P G Wodehouse.  I can't see them having much in common.
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« Reply #21 on: 18:05:20, 01-08-2008 »
Quote from: oliver sudden on 10:11:15, 31-07-2008
(I do hope Crossley plays the ebonies as well by the way...)

I heard that, Sudden.
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« Reply #22 on: 19:29:51, 01-08-2008 »
I have the Nagano Turangalīla currently spinning, and yes, that really is the one you want.
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« Reply #23 on: 19:36:15, 01-08-2008 »
I didn't mention.  It is the Previn on itunes, but there are others as well.  If I go to the prom, I would like to have heard it a few times first, but I may be knackered after a weekend season ticket in the few previous days.
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