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Author Topic: Michael Nyman - what do you think?  (Read 2374 times)
George Garnett
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« Reply #30 on: 17:54:25, 20-03-2007 »

Are there dead donkeys on the pianos? Wink

We went searching for that very image, Mr S, as we believed it would be instructive for Members of the younger generation who may not be familiar with it. Alas, even the normally fructious electronic google device failed us and offered in lieu a most unsuitable daguerrotype of a gentleman attempting to to do something implausible with an anvil and a length of thick garden twine. We decided to withdraw but wonder whether you had followed a similar journey to ourselves?

Ah, but my man, who displays many unexpected skills for such a surly fellow, has just pointed out an alternative approach. Et voila!



Et not so voila after all! 'Le hotlinking' is not permissible it would seem without constantly touching F5 on our claviers. What a veritable rollercoaster of emotions we suffer at the hands of these electric graphology devices! Perhaps dear William Morris was right after all. 
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« Reply #31 on: 18:40:11, 20-03-2007 »

R_T, I guess whoever it is must have contractual obligations beyond the Signum label. A sort of Paul Procopolis situation.
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« Reply #32 on: 21:23:39, 20-03-2007 »

Is there anything on the sleeve to suggest there might once have been a liner which is now missing?   Maybe the answers were there? :-)

I guess you could email Nyman's website and ask his publishers or agent?
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« Reply #33 on: 21:49:50, 20-03-2007 »

No further information anywhere, R_T. Not in the booklet, nor the liner, nor, indeed, on the Internet. I might ask Michael next time I bump into him, but it's not that important. For all I know, it might be the man himself, mutitracked, a solution also considered by Kenneth Walton in his review of the disc in The Scotsman. ;-)
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« Reply #34 on: 22:00:41, 20-03-2007 »

If it is MN on the disk himself, it would add another level to the idea of a connection with A Zed & Two Noughts...  as well as spelling "ZOO" (zed + two noughts) the two male twins in the story are inert and lack personalities....  so if there are "two pianists", and neither of them has a "personality", it means that they're being played by...  someone else?


The soundtrack on the film was played by the Balanescu 4tet.
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« Reply #35 on: 22:58:45, 20-03-2007 »

A while since you watched it, eh, R_T? The ensemble playing on the soundtrack is rather larger than the Balanescu Quartet alone. It includes piano and reeds (single and double) too, and eupho, in fact, pretty much standard Nyman Band of the time. What a pity the film's budget didn't run to stereo sound. "In the land of the legless, the one legged woman is queen". ;-)

Just got to the squid, by the way. "M" is for monkey.
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« Reply #36 on: 01:48:40, 21-03-2007 »

Yeah, a long time since I watcheed that - I had forgotten the other instruments in the ensemble, but was fairly sure there was quite a lot of "quartet alone" in the piece?   I think some of the material got performed separately by the Balanescus later, which is why it stuck in my mind.
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« Reply #37 on: 11:07:54, 21-03-2007 »

Mr G, as a Member of the middle generation we had hitherto eschewed the posting of these images for fear of irrevocably warping younger sensibilities. Indeed the mere static image conveys little of the joy that Senor Dali's surrealistic parade offers up for our delectation.

(We are away from our domestic Clavier and are thus precluded from providing the diacriticals essential for a typographically accurate representation of the filmmaker's name. We beg the indulgence of our fellow Members.)

Perhaps we can nonetheless offer the information that at a point in the film a gentleman with much apparent effort drags into the room a piano



on which has been placed a beast of burden which has had better days



and which is followed by two surprised-looking Gentlemen of the Cloth.



We commend Senor Dali's film to those on 3 who thought they had perhaps seen everything.

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« Reply #38 on: 13:11:55, 21-03-2007 »

How we agree, Master Sudden, that it is through the unrestrained MOTION of bodies that MEANING can best be expressed and shared between the souls of persons of discrimination. Mere stasis, the bloodless play-thing of cold intellect and contemplation, is but a poor shadow of, and at very best a prelude to, the engagement of soul and body in true PASSION. How well the Graeks knew this!

We are nonetheless grateful for the selection of lantern slides you have provided for Members and for your restraint in omitting what would no doubt be spoken of in today's demotic (following the decline of language since 1908) as 'the money shot' or even worse. How different from the lack of DISCRETION purveyed in the avertissements at the local Picture House which we occasionally attend with a group of fellow expatriates here!    
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« Reply #39 on: 14:44:24, 21-03-2007 »

Oh, you mean this one?!!  Wink - (note the irony of the smiley!!!)

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« Reply #40 on: 21:00:33, 24-05-2007 »

Look, the guy is a living contravention of the Trade Descriptions Act, let's get the gloves off.

Why / How on earth he has managed to get a scruff hold on the musical establishment completely defeats me. The 'world premiere' of ...what? Derivative, uncotroversial, run of the mill, could have been written ( if that is the word I am looking for) by almost any competent comnpsition student at the RCM, yet it is hailed as if ground-breaking. It wasn't.

I weep for  composers round the country who will have listened, are turning out stuff better than this, and cannot explain to themselves how Nyman has got where he is.
,,,,,,,,,<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<////////////////////// Draco - I agree 100% with your view of Nyman: I was a co-student with him and Tavener at the RAM and I think he is a waste of space and a waste of time. The mere fact that composers round the country are turning out better stuff than Nyman says more about the state of music in this country and about the "musical establishment" than it does about Nyman. Merely to write a successful film score does not make someone a worthwhile concert-hall composer.
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« Reply #41 on: 23:29:07, 24-05-2007 »

As I said earlier, there are pieces which work well and others which deserve scorn. It would perhaps be more instructive to differentiate the two. Or perhaps you know ALL his work and think it's ALL crap. If so, say so. Having been a fellow-student doesn't stregthen your post.
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« Reply #42 on: 10:15:15, 25-05-2007 »

I certainly haven't heard all Michael Nyman's music ,but what I have heard of him over the last 30 years put me in mind of the sort of artistic self-betrayal portrayed by Max in his opera  'Taverner' (and when are we going to hear THAT again? one of the most disturbing and soul-searching operas since 'Fidelio', I think).

I wonder how an artist can live a lie, and become a sort of musical Jack Vettriano.as Nyman seems to have done. I can understand an unthinking, unintelligent composer churning out popular pap,but from old times I know him  to be a sensitive and acute mind who knows a lot about modern music.

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« Reply #43 on: 10:33:14, 25-05-2007 »

I wonder how an artist can live a lie, and become a sort of musical Jack Vettriano.as Nyman seems to have done. I can understand an unthinking, unintelligent composer churning out popular pap,but from old times I know him  to be a sensitive and acute mind who knows a lot about modern music.
The difference is that Vettriano doesn't know any better, whereas Nyman does. It's certainly easy to come to the conclusion that there are two Nymans - the one who wrote the Experimental Music book, some experimental pieces and the rough-and ready minimalism of the early 1980s; and the one who writes the musically-threadbare stuff that in my opinion began with the Draughtsman's Contract soundtrack (perhaps significantly, the moment when his music reached a large audience for the first time). When I met MN for the only time in 1981 he struck me as rather a cynical kind of person who affected a disdain for the pretention and pseudointellectualism of contemporary music. It seems to me that this cynicism has become ingrained to the point where he believes it to be something positive (like Blair's famed "convictions", if I may be allowed a cynical aside of my own), while the work takes on the appearance of an empty shell of music with nothing inside it.
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« Reply #44 on: 10:40:13, 25-05-2007 »

I wonder how an artist can live a lie, and become a sort of musical Jack Vettriano.as Nyman seems to have done. I can understand an unthinking, unintelligent composer churning out popular pap,but from old times I know him  to be a sensitive and acute mind who knows a lot about modern music.
The difference is that Vettriano doesn't know any better, whereas Nyman does. It's certainly easy to come to the conclusion that there are two Nymans - the one who wrote the Experimental Music book, some experimental pieces and the rough-and ready minimalism of the early 1980s; and the one who writes the musically-threadbare stuff that in my opinion began with the Draughtsman's Contract soundtrack (perhaps significantly, the moment when his music reached a large audience for the first time). When I met MN for the only time in 1981 he struck me as rather a cynical kind of person who affected a disdain for the pretention and pseudointellectualism of contemporary music. It seems to me that this cynicism has become ingrained to the point where he believes it to be something positive (like Blair's famed "convictions", if I may be allowed a cynical aside of my own), while the work takes on the appearance of an empty shell of music with nothing inside it.

Sure - with hindsight I do see some of that even in the Experimental Music book as well, with its rather cavalier Europhobia, easy dualisms, and so on. There needs to be a new and more inclusive book on that subject (which doesn't rule out European endeavours in similar veins) sometime soon.

I can see something in the Greenaway scores, though, in the context of the films - as concert music they are pretty pitiful (I don't get this fad for hearing film music without the film).
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