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Author Topic: who was Shostakovich?  (Read 25287 times)
Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #375 on: 06:25:12, 30-04-2007 »

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We do not intend to supply any further detailed analyses

I didn't realise we'd even had one?  All I saw was a character-assassination of Shostakovich that would have made Zhdanov proud, and brought a smile to Beria's lips.  Based on hearsay and remarks about the composer's footwear and his trousers, such an "analysis" was doomed to failure from the outset.  We were promised an analysis which dealt strictly with the music separately from its historical context.  In fact we got something which made The Ladybird Book Of Great Composers appear scholarly by comparison.
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« Reply #376 on: 06:35:17, 30-04-2007 »


...We do not agree however that an inspection of the "score" would have led us to alter any of the observations offered above after a first hearing of the Eighth Symphony...

Yes it would have done! You would not have expected there to have been a break between movements 4 and 5, and you are likely to have thought more carefully about your remarks concerning S's orchestral management before making them (even if they remained essentially the same).

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Our Capitalist system with-holds "scores" from the view of ordinary people. "Scores" are kept in obscure repositories to which access is restricted. Nor are ordinary people educated in the reading of "scores"; they are told only that it is an arcane art not for the likes of them. Private persons who have somehow come into the possession of a "score" of their very own tend to treasure it and dust it down daily.

There is nothing "ordinary" about a person who, like you, publishes a "report" on a major symphony that is then available worldwide to readers, and can be easily found via Google.

A score of this work - far from being unavailable - was recently noted for sale in good condition, second-hand, for the sum of £7 (which must be even less than the cost of a CD of the work).

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If the Member is one of those in the fortunate position of being in possession of or of having access to this "score" we and most other Members we are sure would appreciate his going to the trouble of scanning it and somehow making it available to all with an interest potential or actual. Put up a PDF we cry!

"Put up a PDF we cry!" indeed!

It is hardly an expression of "absolute and objective standards of taste" to urge somebody to infringe copyright laws by publishing a COPY of copyright materials, especially since they are readily available anyway. The time and effort needed to create PDFs of an entire Shostakovich score would in any case be completely wasted upon someone (such as yourself) who has already stated (above) that viewing the score would make no difference at all to an assessment of the work.

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« Reply #377 on: 09:41:18, 30-04-2007 »

We do not intend to supply any further detailed analyses until several other Members have had a go. We should like to see more from Mr. Dough and Mr. Sudden, and something at least from a good many other Members.

Sadly, Sydney, not from this source for some while, since the imminent departure of the Dough for distant dominions (an event not exactly unadvertised within this very organ) will delay such possibilities.

 In any case, work on the final movement of the Fourth Symphony is still in progress, and that will need to be completed before other works may be tackled.
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« Reply #378 on: 16:35:40, 30-04-2007 »

Having read with interest the comments and authoratitive messages from 'Some Members' , could someone please explain to me ( a retired secondary music teacher of some reasonable standing) how on earth an analysis can be produced without a score?
This is completely beyond me. Music , of course can be and is enjoyed without a score... the composer , to succeed in his aims must be able to have his music listened to without a score... but an analysis...? without a score?

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« Reply #379 on: 18:43:59, 30-04-2007 »

A, some pieces don't have a score ! (They may just have parts). But as far as Shostakovitch 4 is concerned, our Siddo is definitely on to a loser . . .
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« Reply #380 on: 19:13:17, 30-04-2007 »

You callin' DSCH a loser, Autoharp?  Huh
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« Reply #381 on: 20:58:42, 30-04-2007 »

Certainly not! But Siddo needs a score to analyse DS4.
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« Reply #382 on: 21:35:33, 30-04-2007 »

Autoharp, could he not transcribe it from listening to various performances. I understand someone did that with some pieces of Glass once.  Though that might just possibly have been a somewhat simpler task. Whatever, in the case of the Glass, the results were excellent. I must get round to trancribing the recordings of the performances of the transcriptions from cassette to CD-R some time. Roll Eyes
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« Reply #383 on: 21:37:48, 30-04-2007 »

Certainly not! But Siddo needs a score to analyse DS4.

Now I understand the problem - viz. all those who have been COMPLAINING about my posts on this thread, and their apparently "vindictive" tone!

I had been mistakenly thinking that we were talking about Shostakovich 8 all along, but now I see just how misguided I have been - I just got the wrong piece. Mea maxima culpa.

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« Reply #384 on: 22:03:26, 30-04-2007 »

We have been discussing the 8th, as an example. It has also been argued that the 8th owes much to the 4th in terms of structure, but let's face it, Autoharp just wasn't paying attention.  Shocked
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« Reply #385 on: 22:26:00, 30-04-2007 »

A, some pieces don't have a score ! (They may just have parts).

Yeh , but I'm talking 'real ' music here !! Wink Wink

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« Reply #386 on: 22:27:36, 30-04-2007 »


..all those who have been COMPLAINING about my posts on this thread, and their apparently "vindictive" tone!

Baz

Surely not Baz...?

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« Reply #387 on: 22:47:35, 30-04-2007 »


..all those who have been COMPLAINING about my posts on this thread, and their apparently "vindictive" tone!

Baz

Surely not Baz...?

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'Fraid so.

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« Reply #388 on: 23:01:22, 30-04-2007 »

Bryn is correct - I haven't been paying attention.

Baz - I haven't complained and neither am I complaining about your posts. Indeed, I have been following them with a great deal of enjoyment !

A - Percy Grainger's Random Round (1912-4), a piece for which I have considerable admiration, is without a score. A unique work of its type, admittedly !
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« Reply #389 on: 23:09:03, 30-04-2007 »

But... it's 'only' a round ... not exactly a symphony lasting over an hour !!! Only one line needs to be heard or seen doesn't it?

 Grin Grin

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