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Author Topic: who was Shostakovich?  (Read 25287 times)
Ron Dough
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« Reply #495 on: 09:22:33, 31-10-2007 »

I'd just like to record my appreciation for the little interchange regarding the photograph of Steinberg between Messrs Torheit and Grew, members who have not exactly always seen eye to eye: thank you, Reiner, for your prompt action in locating the picture, and thank you equally, Mr Grew, for your courteous acknowledgement. A leap for the membership (whether great or giant) indeed.
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« Reply #496 on: 09:42:54, 31-10-2007 »

I was sorry not to have been able to find a better quality image of Steinberg than that one - it was the only which emerged in the search.  His entries in even the major Russian online encyclopaedias aren't illustrated Sad  Since he worked almost exclusively in Leningrad (Petersburg) I would imagine that his archive materials etc would be there, rather than here in Moscow... perhaps one day someone will make them accessible online, if they exist somewhere?
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« Reply #497 on: 21:58:38, 19-11-2007 »

What could be a better fragment of an answer to the original question than this clip, which Pim found for the"'watch and listen" thread: here is Shostakovich, in the 1930s, playing the end of his first Piano Concerto....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYOpnq6h_Ms 
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« Reply #498 on: 23:04:07, 19-11-2007 »

Thanks to Ron and Pim for posting that link. That's quite a speed - DSCH didn't hang around did he?

I found some interesting Mravinsky clips there, especially in No.5. There is hardly any visual emotion here, but it's still a commanding rendition of the finale. Look at those eyes...you wouldn't want to mess with him, would you?!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1PsBQwSp0bU
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« Reply #499 on: 23:30:01, 19-11-2007 »

That's a commanding presence, and a fantastically clear beat, IGI: everything's been meticulously rehearsed: there's no need for frantic signposting. I'm going to have to check now, but I think that that's significantly slower than I've heard him take that peroration before.

btw, Did you catch that MDT Maxim Supraphon complete set special offer price? £20 for a limited period only. I have more or less called a halt to the expanding Shostakovich collection, but that was one set which was still on the list, so it's on its way....
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« Reply #500 on: 23:32:48, 19-11-2007 »

Marvellous stuff, and thanks to Pim and Ron.

I have been listening to the early DSCH songs, and the same youthful bravura and wit can be found there too - I never realised there was a DSCH version of "Jingle Bells"?   It's one of "The Fool's Songs", (Op 58) which Shostakovich wrote for KING LEAR (although it's not clear to me if this was for concert performance, or was actual incidental music for a theatrical performance). They're on the Delos label, in Vol 3 of a whole series of DSCH's songs.

BTW Ron, did you know how popular Rabbie Burns was in the USSR (and remains so in Russia)?  Most schoolchildren can recite you by heart "For a'that, and a'that, our toils obscure...";  Shostakovich must have learnt it in the same way, and set it in Op62, which appears on the same disk.

The most revealing song of Op62, however, is DSCH's setting of a Shakespeare sonnet (LXVI)...   what meaning he found in those lines!!

Tired with all these, for restful death I cry:
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And right perfection wrongfully disgraced,
And strength by limping sway disabled,
And art made tongue-tied by authority,
And folly (doctor-like) controlling skill,
And simple truth miscalled simplicity
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Tir'd with all these, from all these would I be gone...


PS Shostakovich set Marshak's translation of the Shakespeare sonnet, which (although a masterly piece of poetry in its own right) is slightly more bitter in tone than the original...   и вспомниать что мысли замкнут рот  would "translate back" more as "and to keep in mind they've got your mouth clamped shut".
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« Reply #501 on: 23:37:25, 19-11-2007 »

So far, only Vol. 2 has made it to the Dough shelves, where, truth to be told, it is still sitting in its cellophane wrapping: but the others are 'on the list'.....
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« Reply #502 on: 00:10:54, 20-11-2007 »

I have been listening to the early DSCH songs, and the same youthful bravura and wit can be found there too - I never realised there was a DSCH version of "Jingle Bells"?   It's one of "The Fool's Songs", (Op 58) which Shostakovich wrote for KING LEAR (although it's not clear to me if this was for concert performance, or was actual incidental music for a theatrical performance).

I don't know these songs, but Mark Elder recorded them with the CBSO, which was re-released by Signum. I have the companion disc which included Hypothetically Murdered which is good fun.

btw, Did you catch that MDT Maxim Supraphon complete set special offer price? £20 for a limited period only. I have more or less called a halt to the expanding Shostakovich collection, but that was one set which was still on the list, so it's on its way....

I hadn't spotted that offer, Ron, but at that price it's mighty tempting. I see that the Jansons box is also going very cheaply on some sites, though didn't get an overly enthusiastic response last year, and that Bychkov has a new No.10 just out.
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« Reply #503 on: 00:31:17, 20-11-2007 »

I never realised there was a DSCH version of "Jingle Bells"?   It's one of "The Fool's Songs", (Op 58) which Shostakovich wrote for KING LEAR (although it's not clear to me if this was for concert performance, or was actual incidental music for a theatrical performance).

According to an old programme note I've got, that 'Jingle Bells', and the rest of the King Lear music in Op 58a, was indeed for a stage production directed by Grigori Kozintsev at the Bolshoi Drama Theatre in St Petersburg in 1941  - it says here.
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« Reply #504 on: 00:34:55, 20-11-2007 »

I'm afraid that Jansons desn't cut it for me at all, IGI, as I've mentioned more than once. Wilf from the CMoR3 board has had very positive things to say about the Maxim cycle ever since he first heard it, which was before its UK issue.
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« Reply #505 on: 00:40:40, 20-11-2007 »

I'd probably agree from what I've heard of the Jansons - spreading the cycle over 18 years with eight different orchestras cannot really lend much of an integrated approach. With Maxim conducting the Prague SO throughout, I think this could well be a cycle to add to my shelves, especially at £2 a disc.
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« Reply #506 on: 09:08:44, 20-11-2007 »

Thanks for that, George - sorry to have sent you scurrying to your programme archive for that!

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« Reply #507 on: 00:02:33, 27-11-2007 »

Looks as if the Supraphon complete cycle under Maxim at the special price of £20 is back in stock at MDT: I've had an email advising me that mine's been despatched.
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« Reply #508 on: 00:13:40, 27-11-2007 »

Yes, I had a similar email too, Ron and await a delivery some time soon.

David Gutman, incidentally, writing in Gramophone, gives an enthusiastic welcome to the new BBC Legends disc of Rozhdestvensky's 1962 Edinburgh Shosta 4.
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« Reply #509 on: 21:30:54, 29-11-2007 »

Oh IGI, that's another itchy credit-card moment, then....

Meanwhile, the Maxim box has arrived, and I've started with No.2. Ollie will be thrilled to learn that MSCH goes the whole hog and employs a siren of the wind-up variety, which gives rise to some interesting clashes of pitch as its wail rises and falls. It's another cracker of a performance of this Cinderella squib which has rather won me over: it sounds a bit like a patched-up 'live' recording, and there are some nasty moments of ensemble (trumpets particularly) and some odd sounding balances, but it has its heart in the right place right from the start, with nary a tempo out of place. It's not a very large choir, but they acquit themselves well, and put a fair amount of effort into the chanted slogans near the end, although their Russian seems strangely accented. All in all, an auspicious start.

The coupling is No.10: I've let the disc run on, and am finding the first movement very strongly characterised, with plenty of attack. The Prague Symphony Orchestra still sounds like an eastern European band: slightly woofly horns, acidic clarinets and strong firm strings: absolutely idiomatic. If the rest of the set is up to this level, it's going to join the top contenders on performance terms. I'll need to hear it under better conditions before I can comment on the recording....
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