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« Reply #615 on: 17:15:55, 24-05-2008 » |
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Ah, but did they consider the live Kondrashin recording from the second performance?  Yes, but it's unavailable at the moment, Ollie. Mention was made that as Everest are back in action, perhaps a reissue might happen at some point. |
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« Reply #616 on: 14:29:47, 07-06-2008 » |
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It was a pity that recent(ish) SACD recordings under Caetani and Kofman weren’t mentioned; perhaps they have little to say about this extraordinary music.
I'll be heading along to see the Caetani conduct the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra in this piece, in what will be its Australian première. I was originally going to put the 'shocked' emoticon here, but I'm actually not in the least surprised. Although I do feel a bit  and a bit  about it. |
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« Reply #617 on: 06:21:50, 10-07-2008 » |
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Nothing substantive to add, except to say that I've been listening to Shostakovich's 4th a lot lately (Previn/CSO) and this thread has answered most of my 'what is...?' and 'what now?' questions, so thanks!
I must say this symphony has the ability to really haunt me. The ending is so brilliant, that bleak unravelling after the bombastic false finale. And many other things.
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« Reply #618 on: 18:03:35, 29-07-2008 » |
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Here's an interesting new CD, especially for those going to Haitink's Prom, set for release at the end of August:  http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/product/NR_September08/CSOR901814.htmAs well as the CD, there's a DVD of a Shostakovich multi-media documentary 'led by creative director Gerard McBurney' which should be interesting. |
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« Reply #619 on: 00:10:27, 10-09-2008 » |
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I was sure that I'd added more 4th Symphony timings to the list (at TOP, perhaps, come to think of it) but tonight's aren't altogether unexpected:
Comparative Timings
Kondrashin, 1962:............. i: 25'34 ii: 08'30 iii: 25'26
Kondrashin (Live), 1963:.... i: 25’57 ii: 08’02 iii: 25’20
Kegel (Live), 1969:............ i: 26'29 ii: 07'59 iii: 26'37
Kondrashin (Live), 1971:......i: 24'44 ii: 08'18 iii: 24'48
Previn, 1976:.....................i: 26'06 ii: 08'30 iii: 25'53
Haitink 1979:.....................i: 28'51 ii: 09'06 iii: 29'36
Rozhdestvensky, 1984:........i: 27'35 ii: 09'25 iii: 28'44
Ashkenazy, 1989:...............i: 25'16 ii: 08'50 iii: 24'09
Rostropovich, 1992:............i: 28’35 ii: 08’33 iii: 27’09
Chung, 1994:....................i: 27’04 ii: 08’08 iii: 25’21
Rattle, 1995:.....................i:27’44 ii: 08’47 iii: 25’47
Barshai, 1996:...................i: 27'15 ii: 08'45 iii: 26'04
Rostropovich (Live), 1998:...i: 27'58 ii: 08'35 iii: 27'30
Shostakovich (Live), 1998:...i: 27'31 ii: 08'34 iii: 28'51
Sinaisky (Live), 2000:.........i: 27'01 ii: 08'53 iii: 27'56
Jansons, 2004:...................i: 28'03 ii: 08'43 iii: 27'23
Haitink (Live), 2008..........i: 30'08 ii: 09'31 iii: 29'51
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« Reply #620 on: 20:21:48, 10-09-2008 » |
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Haitink (Live), 2008..........i: 30'08 ii: 09'31 iii: 29'51
To which I am able to add: Haitink (Live), May 2008, Chicago..........i: 29'39 ii: 09'41 iii: 31'06 |
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« Reply #621 on: 20:26:44, 10-09-2008 » |
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Crikey! That's really stretching the second movement, isn't it?
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« Reply #622 on: 20:36:28, 10-09-2008 » |
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Crikey! That's really stretching the second movement, isn't it?
It sure is, Ron. I was at the RAH last night and should add that, slow though the timings were, the audience (self included) was spellbound. The Chicago SO are a slick outfit and it had plenty of polish and was quite awesome in its power - brass especially. Haitink seems to do so very little on the podium, yet achieves so much. It was a very controlled, almost clinical performance, very unlike the searing drama you get from the Kondrashin performances, of course, but impressive in its own way. |
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« Reply #623 on: 20:41:32, 10-09-2008 » |
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Here's another addition to the list:
Slatkin/Saint Louis 1992 recording (i: 27'55 ii: 7'58 iii: 27'40
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« Reply #624 on: 20:43:10, 10-09-2008 » |
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I only heard it on radio. The thing that struck me most was the pedestrian percussion. It seemed to have little or no rhythmic impetus. I was rather less than taken with the performance. I will, however, listen again in a few days.
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« Reply #625 on: 13:59:56, 09-10-2008 » |
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It's been a while since I have been on this thread, so I might not be up to speed with that last few pages of messages.
The good news is...
Melodiya have re-released in new boxed-edition sets:
a) the complete Kondrashin set of the DSCH Symphonies (priced at 1550Roubles when I bought it yesterday)
b) the complete Borodin Quartet set of the DSCH String Quartets (priced at 990 Roubles)
These just suddenly appeared in the shops this week, with no announcement or Press Release.
The editions are clearly intended for international release, since the box-covers are in dual Russian/English, but the sleeve-inserts (each disk is separately cardboard-sleeved within the handsome box) are in English only.
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« Reply #626 on: 15:11:58, 09-10-2008 » |
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Good news, indeed, Reiner. I'll start testing the usual suspects for price and release dates.
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« Reply #627 on: 15:15:28, 09-10-2008 » |
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Ooh! is what I have to say to that, Reiner. Thanks for pointing it out. (2 minutes later...) They're already in my Amazon basket, but I think I'll have to be a good boy and wait until I get paid for a few things before pressing the checkout button...   fwiw the prices are £25.99 for the Quartets, and £40.48 (via Amazon marketplace) for the Symphonies |
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« Reply #628 on: 15:22:06, 09-10-2008 » |
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But isn't this the Kondrashin set which was released here last year?
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« Reply #629 on: 15:30:34, 09-10-2008 » |
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But isn't this the Kondrashin set which was released here last year?
As I said, Ron - I'm not completely up to speed on how "new" these are, but they are "new here" in my neck of the woods  The prices Stuart mentions are pretty-much the same in pounds as the local rouble prices in country of manufacture. I am chewing-over the symphonies with the delight of Charlie in the Chocolate Factory currently |
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