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« Reply #135 on: 16:28:47, 07-08-2008 » |
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Thanks pim. Is there any film or book (in English  ) on the subject of the German occupation that you could recommend? Why would Jews be any better off in Belgium? I never saw a really good film about the totality of the German occupation of the Netherlands. Jews were not better off in Belgium, but it was the first country people could go to when they fled from the Netherlands (although some Jews survived because they went to Germany (!) with false identification papers. A lot has been published about the German occupation of the Netherlands, but I don't know much about the English translations of these works. |
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« Reply #136 on: 17:40:28, 07-08-2008 » |
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I'm really enjoying this thread between bouts of domestic chores.
Peter Collinson, bless his memory - he died at 42 - directed 'The Italian Job' and Troy Kennedy Martin wrote the script. Alas, I wasn't favoured for a role but did work a couple of times for Peter when he was producing a highly successful series for ITV. Absolutely a rough diamond but always professional. He would have spent a lot of time deliberating on the principal casting: Michael Caine, Noel Coward (relishing every vowel as Mr Bridger), Tony Beckley and Benny Hill. I can imagine Peter now. "Right, I've got the cast I want. Leave them to do their job. Fundamentally, this is a caper movie and my headache will be the expensive action sequences in Turin. (?) Script's a bit slender but workable." I think the discussion on this mb would have left him stricken with disbelief, or more likely, helpless with laughter. I can see him now saying, "EH?".
On the TV series, I was called for 23.00 hrs night location at Battersea Power Station. The leading actor was sozzled and black coffee was given in gallons. He, too, a fine and subtle actor, died fairly young - but no names; no pack drill, on this occasion. Peter instructed the director to start shooting around the actor, using reaction shots, rejected as unworkable by the director. This involved three of us. We'd already lost an hour. In front of the director, he retorted, "Right, guys, we need to get your scenes in on-time. And if he starts fussing and wants retakes, tell him to piss off!". We finished in good time and the whole sequence looked smooth on the telly, although we delivered our lines to one of the crew. Cut-ins of the actor's response were added later. 15 million viewers switched on. Like the film it was intended to entertain for an hour/ or an hour and a half before people nipped out to the pub.
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« Reply #137 on: 18:11:49, 07-08-2008 » |
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so long as it does'nt get to much in depth. Its good to read all this but would be possible to be less intelectual??
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« Reply #138 on: 18:40:18, 07-08-2008 » |
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The Times are listing today the 100 best films and you can see 15 of them in East Finchley!! Get yourself along there all you Norf Lunnon folks. 1. Casablanca 2. There will be Blood 3. ET 4. Chinatown 5. The Shining 6. Vertigo 7. Kes 8. Sunset Boulevard 9. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind 10. The Godfather Well, there's a few in there I don't know. A link if anyone wants to read all 100 http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/related_features/top_100_films/ |
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Reality, sa molesworth 2, is so sordid it makes me shudder
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« Reply #140 on: 20:15:08, 07-08-2008 » |
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And my memory is so bad about films that I quite often suggest we watch something that we've already apparently seen..
"How about this one?"
"You've seen that one honey"
"Have I?"
"Yes."
"Did I like it?"
"Yes."
"Oh good."
 It's a gift I share with you, Ruby! I forget what I've seen and I can thoroughly enjoy watching a film for the second or third time, having completely forgotten what happens next. Same with jokes - I never remember punchlines so you can tell me the same joke again and again! Of course, you can watch a great film time and time again and notice something previously not noticed, or yet more detail, every time. |
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Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative.
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« Reply #141 on: 20:25:37, 07-08-2008 » |
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Is there any film or book (in English ) on the subject of the German occupation that you could recommend? Why would Jews be any better off in Belgium? Excuse me for coming in here unasked. Apparantly one was relatively safe as a Jew in Belgium under Nazi occupation. Belgium was exclusively ruled by German military authorities. Collaboration was only strong in Flanders. Police and railmen did not co-operate systematically with the nazi-forces. Jews also weren't unified under an influential Jewish counsel, complicating the task of rallying them. That's true, MrY. Another important thing is that Dutch society in the 1940s was even more divided in religious and political segments than Belgian society. But the most important fact to remember is that many (far too many) people didn't help the Jews. To me it was and still is incomprehensible that so many Jews were deported and that the rest of the population didn't protest. But I suppose that this is just the way most people behave. |
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« Reply #142 on: 20:26:58, 07-08-2008 » |
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Yes, YES! I didn't recognise the name of Phoenix but immediately identified the cinema from the photograph. Used to walk from Muswell Hill, down Fortis Green Road? But the name Rex Cinema comes to mind. Momentarily I thought it was the Ionic Cinema but, no, that was Golder's Green and the kino was on a similar scale to the Phoenix. Used to have terrific double-bills, too. Happy memories, nevertheless.
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« Reply #143 on: 21:29:53, 07-08-2008 » |
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The Times are listing today the 100 best films and you can see 15 of them in East Finchley!! Get yourself along there all you Norf Lunnon folks.
1. Casablanca
2. There will be Blood
3. ET
4. Chinatown
5. The Shining
6. Vertigo
7. Kes
8. Sunset Boulevard
9. Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind
10. The Godfather
Well, there's a few in there I don't know.
Hmmm - every single one of the top ten is in English. |
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« Reply #144 on: 21:32:52, 07-08-2008 » |
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8. Sunset Boulevard
"Say, Norma Desmond. You used to be big in the pictures." "I am big. It's the pictures that got small." Absolutely wonderful. Totally off her head. "Ready for my close up, Mr De Mille." I haven't seen it for years. But how could I ever forget? Saw Casablanca with my mum on DVD this weekend. I might give you my tuppence worth on that later. |
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
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« Reply #145 on: 21:39:56, 07-08-2008 » |
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Hmmm - every single one of the top ten is in English.
Movies are American just as operas are Italian, Christian scripture is Greek and Marxist theory is German. |
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To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
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« Reply #146 on: 21:47:50, 07-08-2008 » |
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Hmmm - every single one of the top ten is in English. And all are live action films. To me, The King and the Mockingbird ( Le Roi et l'Oiseau) by Jacques Prévert and Paul Grimault is one of the greatest films ever made. |
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« Reply #147 on: 21:48:18, 07-08-2008 » |
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Hmmm - every single one of the top ten is in English.
Movies are American just as operas are Italian, Christian scripture is Greek and Marxist theory is German. Movies may be, but films aren't. |
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« Reply #148 on: 21:53:38, 07-08-2008 » |
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Ah, so movies are hamburger, films are steak, Ian? Correct me if I am wrong. I know you will.
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« Reply #149 on: 22:00:52, 07-08-2008 » |
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Hmmm - every single one of the top ten is in English.
I'm sure we've discussed this before, Ian, but I'm sure that's at least partly due to the paucity of foreign language films on TV nowadays. Time was when Channel Four would show at least one every week, and they'd be fairly frequent on BBC2, too, at a time when the choice was limited to four channels. It was possible to get a good perspective on world cinema in your own front room. Now, directors such as Eisenstein, Kurosawa, Wajda, and Tarkovsky mean nothing at all to a whole generation who consider themselves film buffs. Quite often films by unknown directors would make a deep impression: I remember a season by the Kurdish director Yilmaz Güney including his last effort, Yol, (actually directed by an associate from very exact instructions by Güney, who was in a Turkish prison at the time): a harrowing piece of work http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YolI'm so glad that I taped it: I'm pretty sure it's never surfaced since. But it would certainly rank highly in my own personal 100 (and then again, at least 20 of that Times list almost certainly wouldn't). |
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