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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #15 on: 09:09:47, 05-03-2008 »

a couple of Chandos discs)

On the topic of which...  Judith Bingham.

In a slightly different (?) genres we might well mention Jocelyn Pook, Laurie Anderson and Meredith Monk.
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« Reply #16 on: 09:36:04, 05-03-2008 »

And let us not be forgetting Maryanne Amacher, Diamanda Galas, Adriana Hölszky, Joan La Barbara, Daphne Oram, Karin Rehnqvist, Kaija Saariaho, though none of them (except possbly the last-named) could be described as "romantic".
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« Reply #17 on: 09:45:04, 05-03-2008 »

Then there's Kaija Saariaho, a very interesting composer indeed.

Back on the Brit front, Errolyn Wallen, Sally Beamish, Nicola LeFanu. Grace Williams (very interesting stuff from what I know of it).  Hmm... Phyliss Tate? And from the emerald isle, Deidre Gribben.

Anyone know of Shulamit Ran's work? Israeli composer who's lived and worked in Chicago for years. And another interesting Israeli, Betty Olivero.

Other random Americans: Joan Tower, Betsy Jolas, Libby Larsen, Hilary Tann.
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« Reply #18 on: 09:50:28, 05-03-2008 »

Then there's Kaija Saariaho, a very interesting composer indeed.
... and, if I may say so, mentioned in my post not a quarter of an hour ago.

Mind you I think her more recent work is seriously cloying in comparison with what she was doing 15-20 years ago.
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« Reply #19 on: 10:09:49, 05-03-2008 »

Then there's Kaija Saariaho, a very interesting composer indeed.
... and, if I may say so, mentioned in my post not a quarter of an hour ago.

My apologies, Richard! It was one of those whilst you were typing... moments, and I had to rush to attend to something so hit 'post' anyway.
But yes, I agree about KS and going off the boil.
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« Reply #20 on: 10:53:01, 05-03-2008 »

We're just supplying lists of names which isn't that helpful! - and I was the first to be guilty. We can do better than that, can't we? Let's have a couple of sentences per composer named, shall we? Here's mine.

Lili Boulanger (1893-1918) yes, died very young unfortunately: very much in the post-romantic mould. Some ravishingly emotional stuff and harmonically sophisticated. There's an old recording on EMI which although very dry in sound has some good performances of some of the later, more individual works conducted by Igor Markevitch, namely the large-scale psalm "Du fond de l'abime" as well as Psalms 24 + 129, Vielle priere buddhique and her last work, Pie Jesu (a real corker).

Ruth Crawford (1901-53). Seeger is usually (erroneously) added to her name: She married composer/musicologist Charles Seeger and was mother/stepmother to Peggy + Pete. One of the still underrated American composers of the radical modernist tendency (dissonant and structurally worth studying in her case) in the 1920s after Ives and alongside Ruggles, Cowell, Rudhyar etc. There's a CD containing some of the most remarkable pieces on Deutsche Grammophon conducted by Oliver Knussen which includes the famous String Quartet 1931, 3 songs for contralto + ensemble (Rat riddles, Prayers of steel, In tall grass)  and a brief Study in mixed accents for piano.

Sophie-Carmen Eckhardt-Gramatte (1899-1974). Born Moscow + lived in various European countries and the last c.20 years of her life in Canada. Composed in different tonal but not conservative styles. Still pretty unknown it seems. Most available and recommended is Marc-Andre Hamelin's double CD on Altarus of 6 multi-movement piano sonatas - 1-4 from the 1920s, 5 + 6 from the 50s. Was herself an excellent violinist and pianist - Stokowski engaged her to play concertos on both instruments in the same concert. Wrote much for both violin and piano including the only Concerto I know of for solo unaccompanied violin.

Carla Bley (b 1938). Jazz composer + keyboard player. Probably doesn't need much introduction though it might be worth mentioning that the type of improvisation featured (at least) in small group recordings of c.20 years ago tended towards the genuinely melodic and away from the more annoying widdly many-notes-to-the-second. Individual choices of CD are difficult here, but I'd mention European Tour 1977 and Musique Mecanique, or if you like your jazz a little less hard-edged, Night-Glo and Sextet.

Reiner, I'm very dubious about Jocelyn Pook, both the quality of her music and her working methods. A colleague once described these latter to me, in response to which I asked the question "Is she a composer?". The colleague (who as a person is a model of politeness and diplomacy) hesitated for a few seconds and then gave the answer "No".
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« Reply #21 on: 11:23:22, 05-03-2008 »

Reiner, I'm very dubious about Jocelyn Pook, both the quality of her music and her working methods. A colleague once described these latter to me, in response to which I asked the question "Is she a composer?". The colleague (who as a person is a model of politeness and diplomacy) hesitated for a few seconds and then gave the answer "No".

I understand what you're saying - it was the reason I put her "in a different genre", although I complicated that by then adding Anderson and Monk, who are rather different Smiley

I believe that Harvey Brough (of blessed Harvey & The Wallbangers memory) does a lot of the arranging and sequencing on her stuff (he's credited as such on the album sleeves, there's no attempt to conceal this) as well as being her partner in the wider world.

It's, err, superior music for parties, though Wink   Can't be subjecting one's guests to NOUVELLES AVENTURES or RINALDO over the houmous and pitta bread, can we? Wink    However, I think why I wanted to mention her is that in the field of music she writes, she seems to have a uniquely "female" voice which is quite different from her male colleagues - and that's important in itself Wink  I would be hard-pressed to say what I "mean" by that, but I hope others might elucidate... a topic we've all neatly side-stepped so far Wink   For example, Belova's music doesn't sound "female" to me at all - it's like Khachaturian on some kind of psychotropic substances Wink
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« Reply #22 on: 11:32:17, 05-03-2008 »

Ah, so many that I omitted to mention as I was in too much of a hurry! - especially Gramatté, Bacewicz and Musgrave (the last of whom will soon be 80, as her slightly elder compatriot Ronald Stevenson will be tomorrow). No one seems yet to have mentioned Dorothy Gow, a pupil of both RVW and Wellesz, who is credited with being one of the first British composers to respond to the music of the Second Viennese School...
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« Reply #23 on: 11:47:29, 05-03-2008 »

Since her name has come up, there's a rare opportunity to hear some Bacewicz live later this month at Cadogan Hall - her Music for Strings, Trumpets and Percussion:

http://www.cadoganhall.com/showpage.php?pid=550
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« Reply #24 on: 11:55:24, 05-03-2008 »

One of my favourite baroque composers is Elisabeth Jacquet de la Guerre (1665-1729).  A precociously talented keyboard player, she won the patronage of Louis XIV while still a child, was the first woman to publish works for solo harpsichord, wrote consistently good cantatas both secular and sacred - and wrote some fantastic violin sonatas that fuse Italianate virtuosity with French style.

Here she is:


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« Reply #25 on: 11:56:46, 05-03-2008 »

OoooOOhh.  When is that coming out for real in the UK, do you know?
I believe it must be the end of April, unless my calculations are off. Certainly not sooner.

Judith Weir is another female composer to have written a piece for two double basses.

I'm not that keen on the early Saariaho or the later Saariaho, although there are exceptions in both periods (one of the early ensemble pieces, I think it's Verblendungen but it might be Lichtbogen, and then the slightly more recent concerto for flute and chamber ensemble, but I'd pay not to hear most of her solo flute or cello music, especially if I have to try and navigate my way around that Jean-Baptiste Barrière CD-ROM again, though I expect I'll give in some day and give it another go).

Grazyna Bacewicz is indeed an interesting composer. I have all 7 of her string quartets and, IIRC, 3 of her (total 7) violin concertos on CD, as well as that Music for Strings, Trumpets and Percussion. Send me a PM if you're interested, Tim (or anyone else).
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« Reply #26 on: 11:57:57, 05-03-2008 »


It's, err, superior music for parties, though Wink   Can't be subjecting one's guests to NOUVELLES AVENTURES or RINALDO over the houmous and pitta bread, can we? Wink 

That made me laugh! But give me the Carla Bley option for that situation!

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 For example, Belova's music doesn't sound "female" to me at all - it's like Khachaturian on some kind of psychotropic substances Wink

That sounds quite appetising!
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« Reply #27 on: 12:07:55, 05-03-2008 »

We've also omitted Ustvolskaya - one of the most significant voices in music-making in the soviet era, irrespective of gender.
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« Reply #28 on: 12:37:04, 05-03-2008 »

However, I think why I wanted to mention her is that in the field of music she writes, she seems to have a uniquely "female" voice which is quite different from her male colleagues - and that's important in itself Wink  I would be hard-pressed to say what I "mean" by that, but I hope others might elucidate... a topic we've all neatly side-stepped so far Wink   For example, Belova's music doesn't sound "female" to me at all - it's like Khachaturian on some kind of psychotropic substances Wink
There's a thread elsewhere for this kind of discussion and I submit that it is well-nigh impossible to identify with certainty that any music was written or improvised by a female composer on aural evidence alone. Unless I'm misunderstanding something quite fundamental, I think that the principal purposes of this thread are to highlight the existence of the music of women composers, to invite views about it as such and to alert people to music of which they might previously have been unaware.
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« Reply #29 on: 15:49:53, 06-03-2008 »

two double basses sound promising indeed...
And I think they're both 5-string with the lowest string tuned to sub-contra F#. I turned pages for the premiere. Fortunately they'd arranged their music so that the turns were alternate rather than simultaneous.

We wanted to dedicate the disc to Corin - did that happen, tinners?
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