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Author Topic: Classical Music For Beginners  (Read 1704 times)
Don Basilio
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« Reply #15 on: 12:12:39, 01-03-2007 »

This is embarrassingly low brow, but from the age of five I was grabbed by my father's 78s of hits from Gilbert and Sullivan.  Also hits from the Nutcracker.

Sullivan prepared me for Mozart's Da Ponte operas.  Once we were on to LPs (the first LP dad got was Oklahoma!) I listened over and over to Beethoven's Symphonies.

At my ghastly prep school, the sadistic philistine headmaster used to play one classic 78 every Wednesday assembly.  (His favourite piece was "Softly awakes my heart"  - Mon coeur ouvre a ta voix  Although he taught French, it was sung in English.  I have only been impressed by it since hearing the wonderful Shirley Verrett sing it live.)  I remember William Tell, Ride of the Valkyries, Marriage of Figaro overture, Largo al factotum, Hebrides.  All works with a literary connection.

Dad also had lots of Romantic Piano Concerti.  They did nothing for me then, and do nothing for me now.  I've also lost interest in symphonies generally in preference to opera and chamber. That may be my loss.  People will have all sorts of different tastes and interests, which will develop as they do.
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« Reply #16 on: 12:21:44, 01-03-2007 »

Nothing embarrassingly lowbrow about G & S, Donbasilio - I got to know a lot of them early on and only later began to really appreciate the wit of both men, and all the musical allusions. A unique blend of words and music, and it would be hard to find another composer who can set the English language so naturally - especially Gilbert's occasionally rather unnatural English!
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« Reply #17 on: 12:34:29, 01-03-2007 »

Thank you. Smiley

I remember reading the labels on the 78s which (correctly) attributed the songs to Arthur Sullivan.  At the age of 5 I thought, but why mention him.  I thought that once the words were written, the tune would be obvious.

Actually that shows what a genius Sullivan was - as you say some of Gilbert's words are to very odd metres and Sullivan makes them sound inevitable.
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« Reply #18 on: 12:53:37, 01-03-2007 »

Nothing embarrassingly lowbrow about G & S, Donbasilio
I do wish people would stop describing things as "highbrow" or "lowbrow". The implication is that you should be listening to something more intellectually difficult because rising to the challenge will stretch your own intelligence. Intelligence is good, but the dolphins have the right idea. Life is for playing.
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« Reply #19 on: 13:18:08, 01-03-2007 »

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This is embarrassingly low brow

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Point taken.  I used the term in relation to myself and my background, rather than to criticize others.  I'm English, so self-depreciation is a natural mode to follow.  It's not always very healthy (and often expresses arrogance rather than modesty) but it is standard English social strategy.

G'n'S occupied a rather odd position in British culture, and I was defending myself in advance from criticism that I didn't really appreciate classical music.

I totally agree that appreciation should not be po faced - an element of fun is important, but when I have had tears running down my cheeks, at ie Vaughan Williams Hugh the Drover  I know this is important, it touches me at a deep level, and it is more than mere fun.

All the best.
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« Reply #20 on: 20:42:39, 01-03-2007 »

Penderecki's Threnody for the victims of Hiroshima.

I remember playing this to a group of schoolkids 35 years ago. Didn't take long for one of them to come out with the words "radioactive desert" . . . .

But perhaps us adults need more careful nurturing ?
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« Reply #21 on: 17:52:21, 03-03-2007 »

Intelligence is good, but the dolphins have the right idea. Life is for playing.
Kitty, just wanted to say that this made me smile a ridiculous amount. Smiley (I've been sitting around all day, trying to lift myself out of a very strange depressed mood after finishing a big piece of work yesterday and not quite knowing what to do with myself.)

I actually don't know what children or beginners should listen to. Sometimes I think I do, and at other times I think that everyone should be left alone with the things they already enjoy for themselves. Introducing others to what you love is all very well, but it's so often hard to explain quite what you like about it, at least not without some pre-established common ground.

I guess I believe in happy accidents ... Wink
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« Reply #22 on: 20:56:24, 03-03-2007 »

I have a feeling there isn't one single Best First Piece of Classical Music For Everybody. I also have a feeling that's how it should be!  Smiley

The first thing that sticks in my head was the Tomita version of Pictures at an Exhibition. (Would you believe!) On the other hand I'm pretty certain that if it hadn't been that it would have been something else.
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« Reply #23 on: 21:01:45, 03-03-2007 »

the Tomita version of Pictures at an Exhibition. (Would you believe!)

That's beautiful! Smiley

He also made a nice one of Daphnis et Chloe, and of Clair de Lune. Lovely. Wink
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« Reply #24 on: 21:23:32, 03-03-2007 »

I started with music that made me happy. Although I did not know Gilbert and Sullivan, there were other operetas. I love Gilbert and Sullivan now like DonBasilio.
I think music is like a powerful drug can make one high and happy. I am trying to remember exactly. There was Rossini with Barber of Seville, I loved Weber, the usual Waltz from Mascarade by Khatchaturyan, Smetana Bartered Bridem, Mozart,  etc.  It took me a while to appreciated the sad music, I just did not like if it was too sad. I liked anything that would start my blood going.

Now I know that all people are different. I did not take to Debussy easily, but I have a student now that I call Debussy (or Poulenc and Satie), because she only wants to play this composers. It depends to what music people are exposed to at an early age I suppose, although we choose what we like.
I also understand time_is_now. I always feel kind of down after one project is finished (especially if I don't know what to do next).


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« Reply #25 on: 20:51:19, 04-03-2007 »

Compulsory music appreciation lessons at school started me on this long road.  G and S, Enigma Variations and Rimsky's Scheherazade were my earliest loves and still remain so.  My lifelong and continuing interest in British light music also helped to lead me into heavier items.

Ian.
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« Reply #26 on: 11:07:53, 05-03-2007 »

My father,and his before him,were lifelong G&S enthusiasts,and inthe '60s the area around Stockport,where we lived, was rich in amateur societies.I saw good stagings of all the popular operas,even 'Princess Ida' .

I'm glad that EMI allowed Sir Malcolm Sargent to make stereo re-makes of the  canon.With some of my favourite singers they remain for me possibly his finest memorial and musically,at any rate, In have always considered them superior to the D'Oyly carte recordings on Decca..
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« Reply #27 on: 13:25:53, 05-03-2007 »

I'm glad that EMI allowed Sir Malcolm Sargent to make stereo re-makes of the  canon. With some of my favourite singers they remain for me possibly his finest memorial and musically,at any rate, In have always considered them superior to the D'Oyly carte recordings on Decca..

Sir Malcolm Sargent. Smiley

What a wonderful conductor. A bit forgotten nowadays. Just like Eugene Goossens. I love the In Memoriam LP the BBC made after Sir Malcolm died. Such a moving LP.
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« Reply #28 on: 20:49:54, 05-03-2007 »

Not how I got into classical music, but someone in the library last week. He walked up to me in the music department holding a Stockhausen CD. He told me that he was trying to get into classical music and asked what this composer was like!

I replied that Stockhausen might not be the best to start with(!) and suggested Philip Glass as there were some CDs in the rack in front of us. He did know Glass as he said "Isn't that a bit repetitive?"  Then he mentioned the 3rd symphony by someone whose name sounded a bit like Gorecki so I found this CD of Quartets 1 & 2

for him, which he went off with. I'd be interested to know how he gets on with his voyage of discovery.

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« Reply #29 on: 20:57:50, 05-03-2007 »

If all goes well perhaps he will return for more advice?
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