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Author Topic: The Joyce Hatto hoax  (Read 3674 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 20:51:43, 18-02-2007 »

I tried all buttons and where is modify button.
If I ever find it I should use a lot of it I have a feeling.
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« Reply #16 on: 20:57:58, 18-02-2007 »

beside the 'quote' and 'remove' buttons..... right hand side..... RIGHT  !!!   Grin
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« Reply #17 on: 20:59:21, 18-02-2007 »

I see it now. Thank you.
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« Reply #18 on: 07:54:20, 19-02-2007 »

What saddens me is that it took itunes to uncover the hoax.  Aren't there reams of pianists (or student pianists) listening to many recordings of these works and comparing them......?  Did no one suspect earlier?

Tommo

Of course it should be easy for Mr B Coupe (or whatever his name is) to refute the accusations.

If someone thought a CD I had produced and engineered was a fake, I would be able to produce witnesses that the actual sessions had been held at ***** recording studio, on certain dates, and I would have documentation to prove that the sessions were held.

I would also have the "takes" in which sections or whole movements were recorded, including talk back between the producer, engineer, and the artist(s) involved. There would possibly be a page turner involved as well.

As well as this, there would be the edits which could be shown to have taken place, either by the tape splices, or these days, by the computer version showing the takes had been edited together. (If recorded on DAT there would be tapes of the recorded "takes."

So any producer wrongly accused of fraud should easily be able to provide such proof and easily clear their name. In the case of Joyce Hatto and Mr B Coupe they must have had their own recording studio and equipment, which must still exist?
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« Reply #19 on: 19:50:16, 20-02-2007 »

I don't think those people who thought her recordings were wonderful need have any egg on their faces at all.  They are wonderful recordings, but by much better pianists than Joyce Hatto.

What gets me is the concerto recordings and, in particular, which orchestra was alleged to have been used.  Presumably they don't claim to have hired a well-known orchestra for these recordings, otherwise the fraud would quickly have been uncovered.  So presumably this would have been a scratch orchestra put together by hiring players for the session.  How could the critics have believed that such an orchestra would put in world-class performances?  And not just once, but in several works?
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« Reply #20 on: 19:56:15, 20-02-2007 »

Presumably they don't claim to have hired a well-known orchestra for these recordings, otherwise the fraud would quickly have been uncovered. 
Would you believe for one of them they made up an orchestra name and used a Vienna Phil recording with Ashkenazy?

http://www.pristineclassical.com/HattoHoax5.html

The stupidity of it all. And now William Barrington-Coupe is going to the press saying it's really all genuine.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/20/npiano20.xml

Quit while you're, well, he's not ahead is he? Um...

You're in a really deep hole, mate. Stop digging.
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« Reply #21 on: 20:03:43, 20-02-2007 »

How many times have the critics talked about the VPO's unique sound? Excuse my whilst I laugh uncontrollably.
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« Reply #22 on: 22:17:03, 22-02-2007 »

Aplogies to those who have already seen this....

http://www.mdt.co.uk/MDTSite/cm/news-concertA.htm
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« Reply #23 on: 11:57:11, 23-02-2007 »

It's all over bar the legal actions for breach of copyright (and there'll be plenty of those!), the fraud investigation, the books, the TV dramatisation, and the film, starring Helen Mirren as Joyce Hatto.....

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« Reply #24 on: 13:44:51, 23-02-2007 »

Hi teleplasm - WHAT is that avatar?!!

I'm going to have nightmares tonight...
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« Reply #25 on: 14:27:44, 23-02-2007 »

Hi teleplasm - WHAT is that avatar?!!

I'm going to have nightmares tonight...

Glad you like it!  Wink

It's (somewhat laterally distorted as it is reproduced here) the demon Pazuzu as he appeared in The Exorcist. It also reminds me, now I come to mention it, of some of Schoenberg's expressionist paintings.
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« Reply #26 on: 20:04:30, 27-02-2007 »

Today Joyce Hatto was a main story on Sky news.
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« Reply #27 on: 20:43:40, 27-02-2007 »

Apparently, William Barrington-Coupe has written to the head of BIS and confessed all.  There is apparently a link through Gramphone to the article about this but I don't know the URL.
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« Reply #28 on: 20:47:40, 27-02-2007 »

Pianist John O'Connor was on television today 27th February. He looked very angry.
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« Reply #29 on: 20:49:59, 27-02-2007 »

You can find David Hurwitz' somewhat acerbic comments on the Barrington-Coupe/von Bahr correspondence here:

http://www.classicstoday.com/features/022607-mywife.asp
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