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Author Topic: Verklarte Nacht  (Read 1369 times)
rachfan
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« Reply #30 on: 12:06:42, 26-02-2007 »

Did anyone hear Metamorphosen this evening in the companion concert to the one that started this thread?
Am I alone in finding this an impenetrable work?
Roslynmuse, from the very first hearing, it has always blown me away.  Ernani suggests: 'Why not try Karajan's BPO recording?' and I agree.  It isn't underplayed (!) but I find it incredibly powerful and moving.
The piece is such a personal and emotional statement - it always leaves me in an emotional puddle.  I can't imagine anybody being unaffected by it.  Perhaps the key point is that I've never tried to analyse it - any attempt to do so simply detaches me from the experience and the music drags me back. 
Just get a glass of wine, close your eyes, and experience the music..... Smiley
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« Reply #31 on: 12:25:10, 26-02-2007 »

Just a quick note to say thanks to all of you who suggested I listen to Gurre-Lieder and the String Quartet No 2

I bought both at the weekend and they are absolutely wonderful.

This is one of the reasons I like this MB so much. It is full of people who are only too willing to share their knowledge  Smiley

Still didn't make it all the way through the Wagner on Saturday though Sad I was snoring away before the end of Act 3.Might have been something to do with the large Talisker I had beforehand though Wink
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« Reply #32 on: 12:33:46, 26-02-2007 »

I first encountered metamorphosen on a string quartet course in Oxford as a teenager.  A bunch of the quartets got together to have a play through.

I immediately took to the work, perhaps because of being right in amidst the lush string sounds. 

But it was a lot later that I listened to a performance, and I have to say it took a while to get into listening to the piece rather than playing it.  I think performances need to walk a tightrope with this work - get as much intensity in each players lines without losing the sense that some threads should come out more than others.  When thinking about the individual lines this work is a lot more 'classical' than you might initially think.

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« Reply #33 on: 12:35:30, 26-02-2007 »

I wonder, is there still a lingering doubt that these works, especially the Schoenberg, shouldn't be played with a sumptuous sound...?
ernani, string technique has changed markedly since the time Schoenberg wrote this work - the sort of rich, bass-heavy sound that was cultivated particularly at the Berlin Philharmonic in the postwar years (by Furtwängler and then Karajan) seems to me just a bit too cloying for this music.



Hello roslynmuse,

Well, yes of course techniques have changed since the early years of the 20th c, but to push your argument a bit further, this would seem to imply a 'correct' or 'authentic' style that has subsequently been lost post Furtwangler and that is less valid or satisfying because it is somehow 'inauthentic'. As rachfan says, sometimes analysis only takes us so far. I've no problem with people disliking  the BPO 'style' in this music, but surely the important issue is that most intangible thing of all: that which moves us emotionally when we hear a particular interpretation.  Smiley
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« Reply #34 on: 21:09:37, 26-02-2007 »

...it was a lot later that I listened to a performance, and I have to say it took a while to get into listening to the piece rather than playing it...
The experience from inside the music is very different, isn't it?

I was a (very poor) cellist at school, when I scrubbed my way through Brahms' second symphony - a work in which I hear the cello line above all others to this day (30-odd years later).

Later, I became a (slightly better) percussionist, which allowed plenty of time for listening to the orchestra from an unusual vantage point. I haven't played for 20 years, but to this day I prefer to sit behind the orchestra at concerts  Smiley

As for Verklarte Nacht, I vote for Karajan - excess is everything in such a fin de siecle work!

And in Metamorphosen, I too like Karajan and the BPO strings... but the performance in which it first really made sense to me is the cool, but eminently rational 1953 recording by Clemens Krauss and the Bamberg SO - probably not available any more...
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« Reply #35 on: 21:36:13, 26-02-2007 »

Thanks, all, for your Strauss recommendations! Will explore, listen and report back!

WeeCalum - did I mention Zemlinsky's Lyric Symphony? There was a point when I listened to this more frequently than Das Lied von der Erde (which it superficially resembles, structurally). Some moving poetry (Tagore) too.
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« Reply #36 on: 23:16:47, 26-02-2007 »

The CD I have of VN also has op5 Pelleas and Melisande (karajan) - i have tried to get into this piece and like bits and pieces of it but find it rather difficult - not as romantic as VN but not yet in the more radical stage - wonder if anyone else has views on this work
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