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Author Topic: Favourite Viola Works (for t-p)  (Read 1378 times)
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« Reply #30 on: 23:14:42, 20-04-2007 »

I have to investigate that piece. It is contemporary probably, is it.
I am playing Horovitz sonata and Weber duo with clarinet, the third piece is Messanger. The first two I really have to practice, they are fast and tricky (Horovitz, tricky rhythm). I am too heavy handed with them. I am still not free, trying to keep elbow lever with the wrist etc. Sometimes chords sound better with a higher wrist (This is for Roslynmuse). Do you think the writst has to be always low?
Clarinet and viola are the same in many ways and many composers have the same pieces for them (Brahms clarinet sonatas are for viola too). Sometimes viola can sound like a horn strangely enough.

martle, it was a great experience to be in the place and hear Feldman's music. The space is very interestingly organized in terms of colour (different shades of brown) and light for ceiling, floor and benches.
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« Reply #31 on: 23:26:10, 20-04-2007 »

I am playing Horovitz sonata and Weber duo with clarinet, the third piece is Messanger. The first two I really have to practice, they are fast and tricky (Horovitz, tricky rhythm). I am too heavy handed with them. I am still not free, trying to keep elbow lever with the wrist etc. Sometimes chords sound better with a higher wrist (This is for Roslynmuse). Do you think the writst has to be always low?

Depends how high/low you sit! And how long your forearms are in relation to upper arms... But no, I only think of the wrists on a level with the keyboard as a sort of default position, with many possible variations...

Oops! Off topic!!

Talk of clarinet/ viola pieces being interchangeable reminds me of a bassoon piece that sometimes finds its way into the violist's repertoire - Weber Introduction and Rondo Ungarese - one of the funniest pieces I know. Cheesy
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« Reply #32 on: 00:42:51, 21-04-2007 »

Also just now listened to the Frankel. Was this piece featured on CotW when it was Frankel's centenary? Good piece.

The Viola Concerto was indeed featured on CotW when it was Frankel's centenary, Martin:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio3/cotw/pip/clnv1/

Do you know his Violin Concerto? It's an even better piece, truly one of the best Violin Concertos of that era.
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« Reply #33 on: 10:24:51, 21-04-2007 »

Only just looked at this thread, but unless I'm mistaken no one's mentioned

Ligeti - Sonata for solo viola

A major, deeply impressive work.
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« Reply #34 on: 10:25:50, 21-04-2007 »

Since we're on to concertos now, does nobody else find either of the completions of Bartok's worthy of a mention? I'm rather fond of it.

Absolutely, Bryn! Either of them will do me just fine actually (though I'd always rather have the timps than pizzicato double basses accompanying the beautiful opening melody).

Incomplete or not, it's one of my favourite Bartók pieces, and more than with any other composer I can think of (except Grisey, who's also been mentioned on this thread) I wish he'd lived for longer.
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« Reply #35 on: 10:51:07, 21-04-2007 »

Pim - I've just listened to Arthur Lourié - Duo for Violin and Viola, First Movement.  I think I'll investigate the rest of the duo and the three quartets.  Is the recording the ASV disc with the Utrecht String Quartet, or is it a private or deleted recording?  (I can't find the artists you list on the MDT website.)

Yes, 464 metres: it is the ASV disc with the Utrecht String Quartet. I put up the Second Quartet and more music by Arthur Lourié over here:

http://r3ok.myforum365.com/index.php?topic=819.msg21176;topicseen#msg21176

In this special Lourié thread you can also listen to other pieces. I don't want to spoil the Viola thread with my Lourié-propaganda. Wink
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« Reply #36 on: 12:05:51, 21-04-2007 »

How about Britten's Lachrymae - Reflections on a song of Dowland?  One of my friends from university was a viola player (and a good one too) and he played it in concert and it's lovely!  I think there is also another work by Britten for viola and orchestra but i'm not a Britten expert so may be wrong.

I'm sure Bridge must've written some viola music!
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« Reply #37 on: 12:17:31, 21-04-2007 »

Britten Lachrymae is a good piece. I especially like it at the end when it becomes beautiful.
I tried several Bridges short pieces, but for some reason it did not stay in reperoire at a time. May be I was not ready for it.
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« Reply #38 on: 12:05:15, 24-04-2007 »

I discovered yesterday that Henk Badings also wrote a viola concerto. Never heard that one. It will be performed in Rotterdam later this year in a cycle of concerts to mark the centenary of his birth. I think I will go to this concert.

Speaking of Rotterdam: I found musical life in that city rather dull the last fifteen years but after reading the new concert programme for it's main musical hall De Doelen I get impression things are improving. The Bournemouth Symphony Orchestra will give a performance in November and the BBC Scottish Symphony Orchestra in March (finally a chance to hear Walton's Cello Concerto in a Dutch concert hall!), a whole evening devoted to the songs of Elgar, an evening devoted to Szymanowski's songs and an evening with Mahler songs (the excellent Dutch actor Tom Jansen will read fragments of letters and diaries by Gustav and Alma Mahler). The Piano Quintet by Herbert Howells will be performed in March (that's really something special in the Netherlands!). There's an evening devoted to the music of Karl Amadeus Hartmann in April 2008, Frank Martin's Mass for Double Choir will be performed in June 2008, Berg's Violin Concerto in February (together with Mahler 1 and an overture by Schreker). Then there is L'Histoire du Soldat (played live with the film starring Max von Sydow), the Turangalila-Symphonie in January, a concert with chamber music by Elliott Carter and in February Feldman's Words and Music will be performed as a live radio play. Together with the four Badings concerts, this could be become a very interesting season in Rotterdam!

I have been right after all: when Rotterdam gets rid of Valery Gergiev, musical life in this city will flourish again. Smiley
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« Reply #39 on: 20:39:57, 24-04-2007 »

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« Reply #40 on: 21:06:03, 24-04-2007 »

I am very surprised, pim, that Dutch concert scene was not exciting. I met some Dutch people and they tell me that they have opera everywhere (even in provinces) and I thought that they have very exciting programs everywhere in Holland.
May be I am like usual mixed up somethings.
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« Reply #41 on: 22:35:28, 24-04-2007 »

I am very surprised, pim, that Dutch concert scene was not exciting. I met some Dutch people and they tell me that they have opera everywhere (even in provinces) and I thought that they have very exciting programs everywhere in Holland.
May be I am like usual mixed up somethings.

Dutch musical life in general is certainly not boring, trained-pianist, but the musical life in Rotterdam the last fifteen years was. I remember the days when the Berg Violin Concerto (programmed by Jeffrey Tate) was considered as noisy by the Rotterdam audience. I remember concerts given by ensembles like the Borodin Quartet in small concert halls that were not sold out. The last ten years it has been Gergiev, Gergiev and Gergiev in Rotterdam, as if nothing else was worth mentioning. Luckily, this is now over.

Another nice thing about the Netherlands is that a lot of foreign opera companies visit our country and we also a have an opera company that travels through the provinces. Overall, Dutch musical life is rich and interesting, but the general public is missing a lot of the beautiful things because a few overrated giants are getting too much attention.
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« Reply #42 on: 22:54:20, 24-04-2007 »

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What about the much-vaunted enthusiasm of Dutch audiences for new music? Is that just an Amsterdam phenomenon these days? Is the state supporting it in the same way it seemed to be doing in the 1980s? (I guess Richard may have something to say about this too.) It has seemed to be a knee-jerk response to the decline of support for new music here to point at Holland and say, 'Hey, it works there, why not here?' Is that (still) justified?
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« Reply #43 on: 14:03:29, 25-04-2007 »

pim
What about the much-vaunted enthusiasm of Dutch audiences for new music? Is that just an Amsterdam phenomenon these days? Is the state supporting it in the same way it seemed to be doing in the 1980s? (I guess Richard may have something to say about this too.) It has seemed to be a knee-jerk response to the decline of support for new music here to point at Holland and say, 'Hey, it works there, why not here?' Is that (still) justified?

The enthusiasm for new music is a very Amsterdam phenomenon indeed, Martle. But Holland is a small country so that isn't such a big problem. I used to travel to Amsterdam on Saturdays to listen to new music. I'm happy to see these type of concerts are now also available in Rotterdam. Smiley

It's also true that small music ensembles were supported stronger than symphony orchestras but I've got a feeling that this is changing. Old music ensembles are getting less and less support and the next step will be the new music scene, I think. But there's still a lot going on in the Netherlands. What a shame the Dutch media are no longer interested in it.
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