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« Reply #15 on: 23:35:12, 29-04-2007 » |
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Interesting stuff dear Ron.
Have been listening to the Arthur Benjamin Symphony today -
a recording truly in the best Lyrita tradition, EH NO ?
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« Reply #16 on: 23:41:43, 29-04-2007 » |
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Eh've bin a wee bit ahehnt with ma Lyrita's, hen; Eh've nay gat roond to that ane the yet.
(I appear to have fallen behind with procurement of this label, honey: that particular issue has yet to make its way into my collection.)
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« Reply #17 on: 23:44:56, 29-04-2007 » |
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Yeah no, it's so hard to keep up with all the new releases.
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« Reply #18 on: 15:11:08, 30-04-2007 » |
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I've heard it issuing from My Own Mouth on occasion. And been suitably horrified.  I was amused to hear a chap talking on his mobile in Lyon a couple of years ago confirm that it's not confined to English: "Bah oui, non, c'est clair", he said, and I think I stifled my laughter in time. I have also heard "ja, nein" from time to time. I often find myself saying something like 'Yes, no ...', but I never thought of it as a 'modern' thing (possibly because I tend to use 'yes' rather than 'yeah'?  ). It is confusing though - I was in a bar with someone the other week and he asked if I minded if we went somewhere else and I said 'Yes, no, that's fine'. To which he replied, understandably, 'Well which?' Ollie, don't the Germans have the slightly older neologism 'Jein' to mean something like 'I'm not sure'? |
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« Reply #19 on: 15:38:41, 01-05-2007 » |
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he asked if I minded if we went somewhere else and I said 'Yes, no, that's fine'. To which he replied, understandably, 'Well which?'
Ollie, don't the Germans have the slightly older neologism 'Jein' to mean something like 'I'm not sure'? I've only been in Germany for a few years so I can't say how old it is but yes, jein has its uses and is often heard. I use it a bit more often to say 'sort of but not really' though. In other words not when I'm unsure about something. How people who can actually speak the language use it is another matter. I'm sure some wisdom from quartertone will be along soon. What you were really saying with your "yes, no" there was "yes [that's a good idea], no [I don't mind], that's fine", wasn't it? That's one of the problems with English when a question contains a negative, I reckon, and especially when it contains a contradiction ("nice weather, isn't it?"). In theory the French and Germans have it over us there in the succinctness department because they can say 'si' and 'doch'. On the other hand the local versions of 'yeah, no' have certainly taken root there as well. |
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« Reply #20 on: 15:49:23, 01-05-2007 » |
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I've been doing this for ages - I think it precedes Little Britain's Vikki Pollard - but I've no idea why I started.
(However, re message #2, I am a musicologist, and I am wearing a hoodie right now, so ...)
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« Reply #21 on: 15:52:37, 01-05-2007 » |
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he asked if I minded if we went somewhere else and I said 'Yes, no, that's fine'. To which he replied, understandably, 'Well which?' What you were really saying with your "yes, no" there was "yes [that's a good idea], no [I don't mind], that's fine", wasn't it? Exactly! And although I could see that it sounded odd I'm sure it wasn't the first time I'd ever said it, but it was the first time it had provoked a puzzled reaction. Perhaps because my interlocutor was Scottish? I could imagine it's one of those apparently small dialectal differences that can cause disproportionately large confusion (I've never got used to my Scottish friend talking about 'giving someone a row', i.e. what I would call 'having a go at someone'). |
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« Reply #22 on: 10:41:36, 11-05-2007 » |
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don't the Germans have the slightly older neologism 'Jein' to mean something like 'I'm not sure'? Yes, it's exactly the same as "yes and no" (rather a convenient hybrid, very to the opint). But that's different to "yeah no", which, as Ollie says, is a "yes" to the first part of something one and "no" to the other. |
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« Reply #23 on: 10:45:54, 11-05-2007 » |
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... different to "yeah no", which, as Ollie says, is a "yes" to the first part of something one and "no" to the other.
I disagree with this interpretation. At least in Hiberno-English, my vernacular, one wouldn't always interpret "yeah" as an affirmation, but rather as padding, the same way one might say "ermm..." &c. |
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« Reply #24 on: 11:35:41, 11-05-2007 » |
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I disagree with this interpretation. At least in Hiberno-English, my vernacular, one wouldn't always interpret "yeah" as an affirmation, but rather as padding, the same way one might say "ermm..." &c.
Agreed. In Anglo-English I think the 'yeah' also sometimes just serves to emphasise the 'no' ('Yeah, Ive thought about this and my response is no.'). Sometimes I think the whole 'yeah, no' is superfluous and the equivalent of an 'ermm ...' |
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« Reply #25 on: 13:17:15, 11-05-2007 » |
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he asked if I minded if we went somewhere else and I said 'Yes, no, that's fine'. To which he replied, understandably, 'Well which?' What you were really saying with your "yes, no" there was "yes [that's a good idea], no [I don't mind], that's fine", wasn't it? ...I could see that it sounded odd ... But have you heard how it looks? (Thank You Victor Borge) |
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