|
martle
|
 |
« Reply #345 on: 19:48:12, 01-04-2008 » |
|
My reaction to the idea of cognitive therapies has always been a bit like Tippett's attitude to psychoanalysis - the fear that creative ability might be somehow related to psychic disturbance, and that addressing the latter might adversely affect the former.
AAAAAAARGH!  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
Green. Always green.
|
|
|
|
Don Basilio
|
|
« Reply #346 on: 22:19:03, 01-04-2008 » |
|
Noapte buna.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under heaven.
A time to weep, and a time to laugh: a time to mourn, and a time to dance
|
|
|
|
time_is_now
|
|
« Reply #347 on: 22:19:49, 01-04-2008 » |
|
Boa noite, Don.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
|
|
|
|
marbleflugel
|
|
« Reply #348 on: 22:41:33, 01-04-2008 » |
|
CBT intendees, Tinners-there are several ways of looking at this. Tippett was making the distinction between psychoanalysis, which, sure, is aimed at reaching some accomodation -reintegration-of id, ego and superego-and Jungian analysis, which does this via more extended concepts of multi-layered narratives which are very close if not uniform with-eg- a Tippetty way of making art. Yer actual CBT is deliberately neutral and was conceived in raw form by Albert Ellis as rational-emotive therapy. He was given to ranting at clients for 'awfulising' and expecting too much of themselves.There is famous film by Ellis of his secretary being regaled by four different schools of therapist,after which she was understandably wincing slightly-all male in those days too, of course. This refined into CBT which typically-cf the accomodation/ reintegration bit-aims for a mid-point of ok-ness without promising any kind of 'cure' either (Ellis did, and the fact that he was a frustrated pschodynamicist is significant as you imply, Tinners). It's very much about nuts and bolts reactions to stimuli/ stressors which you can re-adjust in various ways, and this can be overlain with whatever nat phil-of itself its neutral. My training is eclectic and integrative which allows me some,er, creative freedom as to how I offer to address what a client presents.
Nodded off yet?
Final thought: CBT could potentially be useful to the likes of Martle ,Richard, Ian doing tutorials with students with creative / learning blocks etc. Relatively easy to learn - a variant called Motivational Interviewing can be basically picked up in day.
p.s. Jonathan-sorry I missed you off before, good luck with your stuff too.
|
|
|
|
« Last Edit: 22:47:16, 01-04-2008 by marbleflugel »
|
Logged
|
'...A celebrity is someone who didn't get the attention they needed as an adult'
Arnold Brown
|
|
|
|
George Garnett
|
|
« Reply #349 on: 22:48:56, 01-04-2008 » |
|
- the fear that creative ability might be somehow related to psychic disturbance ... Martle as the Doris Stokes of Hove?  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
marbleflugel
|
|
« Reply #350 on: 23:01:30, 01-04-2008 » |
|
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'...A celebrity is someone who didn't get the attention they needed as an adult'
Arnold Brown
|
|
|
|
harmonyharmony
|
|
« Reply #351 on: 23:08:09, 01-04-2008 » |
|
I tend to find that it accomodates other influences, and thus diverse personalities, fairly easily That's interesting, mf. My reaction to the idea of cognitive therapies has always been a bit like Tippett's attitude to psychoanalysis - the fear that creative ability might be somehow related to psychic disturbance, and that addressing the latter might adversely affect the former. Of course, that could be just my elaborate quasi-scientific rationalisation of the idea of 'suffering for art'. IIRC, Tippett talks about a point that he'd reached (the dream of the garden ready for planting (which always makes me think of that line from Birtwistle's MoO: 'The soil is now ready for the new child' - that probably says more about me than Tippett's dream)) through psychoanalysis where he felt creatively unblocked, but that there were still possibilities for more analysis. It was at that point that he stopped, fearing that being 'too healthy' might cause a problem with creativity. Incidentally, I also seem to recall (and seeing my earlier display of memory concerning grey parakeets in Bromley, stand by with the EU salt mountain) that there is a theory that being 'too healthy' (i.e. being purged of all anxieties etc.) is not very good for you anyway. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'is this all we can do?' anonymous student of the University of Berkeley, California quoted in H. Draper, 'The new student revolt' (New York: Grove Press, 1965) http://www.myspace.com/itensemble |
|
|
|
Morticia
|
|
« Reply #352 on: 23:16:42, 01-04-2008 » |
|
Before I actually do fall over in front of the 'puter, night night all. Happy sleep.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Milly Jones
|
|
« Reply #353 on: 00:43:15, 02-04-2008 » |
|
Nighty night. Some of us still have minds racing due to having played bridge all evening. Disastrous night in that regard. I lost 15p. I was dealt some amazing cards sometimes but my partner could never support and we never seemed to find a fit. The way my luck is going at the moment I think it might be wise to just relax and let the universe take over. (That's what the oracle cards my friend bought me say anyway).  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
|
|
|
|
Andy D
|
|
« Reply #354 on: 00:47:28, 02-04-2008 » |
|
You ought to try duplicate bridge Milly, lot less luck involved, lot more skill. Have you ever tried it?
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
Milly Jones
|
|
« Reply #355 on: 00:55:13, 02-04-2008 » |
|
Yes I've played duplicate, but on Tuesdays four of us just meet socially for Acol bridge. We have a couple of spare players for when people are ill or on holiday. We've been playing for years. One of my partners tonight had been playing duplicate this afternoon at the bridge club. I don't like the clubs. They take it all too seriously. All that bell-ringing and shouting for the tournament director if they're stuck. Not my idea of fun.
I love the game, either Acol or Duplicate. I started playing when I first married because my husband played for his office team and I met another mum who taught it at the local college. She used to come with her husband. Trouble was, I'd never had a lesson in my life and had never played so they gave me a piece of paper with "basic bids and responses" and I just took it from there. I have a good head for cards and a good memory for what's been played and what everyone else has. My dad taught me to play at home - more or less every game except bridge - so I never found it difficult.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
|
|
|
|
Milly Jones
|
|
« Reply #356 on: 00:59:55, 02-04-2008 » |
|
That last post of mine sounds a bit conceited - especially considering how heavily I lost this evening!  We play for 1p per 100 points. My record win was 37p. My worst loss was 32p. |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
|
|
|
|
harmonyharmony
|
|
« Reply #357 on: 01:07:21, 02-04-2008 » |
|
Bridge was a game I've never even tried to learn.
I used to play a lot of poker when I was doing my MA though.
We would play from 2am until dawn, slouch off to our respective pits and then rise at 2pm.
Happy days.
I've ironed now and made my sandwiches for tomorrow, so that just means I have to do a final wash up, pack my bag (well, transfer pile of stuff on floor to bag) and then sleep.
So I'm logging off now.
I'll probably be popping in from time to time over the next few days (probably mainly to the Marginally Vexed But Fundamentally Optimistic Ponderings Room) but full hh access (ahem) will not be restored until Sunday. When I hope to report either that the corrections have had their back broken (heading towards Punch and Judy territory again) or that the piece is finished. Or both.
Fundamentally Optimistic, see.
Night.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
'is this all we can do?' anonymous student of the University of Berkeley, California quoted in H. Draper, 'The new student revolt' (New York: Grove Press, 1965) http://www.myspace.com/itensemble |
|
|
|
Milly Jones
|
|
« Reply #358 on: 01:14:02, 02-04-2008 » |
|
Best of luck hh. Have a good time.  |
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
We pass this way but once. This is not a rehearsal!
|
|
|
|
richard barrett
|
|
« Reply #359 on: 01:16:38, 02-04-2008 » |
|
Good night everyone.
Good to know you've ironed your sandwiches, hh. Or is it my eyesight?
I've only played bridge once and didn't like it much (though that can largely be attributed to some of the people I was playing it with). What I like about poker is you can invent new rules for every game. That appeals to my sense of... er... inventing rules, I suppose.
|
|
|
|
|
Logged
|
|
|
|
|
