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Author Topic: Computers - Love Them or Hate Them?  (Read 11152 times)
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« Reply #315 on: 10:40:30, 08-03-2008 »


 Should I even be bothering to turn the wireless switch to "off" when I'm not online, or could I just leave this on all the time and let it turn itself off when I shut down?

That's what I do tinners, never get any mesages balloons saying not connected, just the little icon at the botton goes red instead of blue and the laptop doesn't look for another connection when I'm using it elsewhere.

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« Reply #316 on: 12:35:49, 08-03-2008 »

Everyone raves about Firefox - why is it so much better than IE?  (which I don't find sluggish)

When I used to do Web development I had I think 9 different browsers installed, so I could test everything properly. Firefox was perfectly serviceable -- no worse than IE but not really better either. Now that I only need one browser, the one I use is IE. It's not better than Firefox but it's just as good. I honestly don't think there's anything to choose between them, feature-wise. Though I admit I haven't done any performance benchmaking so maybe it is "sluggish", but I can't say I've noticed in ordinary use.

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« Reply #317 on: 13:28:02, 08-03-2008 »

Firefox used to be streets ahead of IE6 in terms of built-in facilities eg tabs but with IE7 MS have copied most of the good bits so I doubt there's that much difference now.

In terms of security, FF has always been regarded as better, especially with all the add ons you can get. I don't know what's available for IE7, if anything. Firefox has always allowed you to control cookies and what software gets installed - again I don't know what IE7 does.

If you want a fast browser then neither is the best, Opera is supposed to be faster.

The add-ons really make Firefox better. Looking down my list, I'm currently using 14 extensions. The best has got to be Scrapbook which allows me to take perfect copies of web pages (eg online receipts) and organise them into a hierarchy of folders. Bookmarks are OK but they only work if a page is unchanged and still there. Adblock stops those annoying "Sponsered Links" amongst others. Security-wise I use Flashblock and NoScript. It can be slightly annoying when I go to a new site and find that everything is being blocked but I'd far rather control what Javascript is allowed to run on my PC, and Flash is just plain insecure at the moment unless Adobe have sorted out all the problems with it.

Plus you've got themes which allow you to change the look of the browser - I'm using Red Cats (blue flavour).

With Mozilla there's also a chance that we ordinary users can have some feedback into the design process. I use their Sunbird calendar program and was able to get involved a year or 2 ago in the online discussion about how the snooze facility for alarms should work. Can't imagine MS doing that!

Oh, and that's the final thing I've got against IE - Microsoft Cheesy
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« Reply #318 on: 19:41:25, 08-03-2008 »

Firefox used to be streets ahead of IE6 in terms of built-in facilities eg tabs but with IE7 MS have copied most of the good bits so I doubt there's that much difference now.

If you find tabs to be an advantage, I suppose... personally I see them as a disadvantage. No other piece of software on my PC uses tabs, everything else has convenient buttons on my toolbar. Tabs just introduce another place I have to look to switch between views... and unlike my toolboar, they can get hidden under other open windows. Honestly, how is that a good feature? I'm prefectly happy with non-tabbed IE6.

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In terms of security, FF has always been regarded as better, especially with all the add ons you can get. I don't know what's available for IE7, if anything. Firefox has always allowed you to control cookies and what software gets installed - again I don't know what IE7 does.

IE6 allows you to control cookies and what what software gets installed. So did IE5, as I recall.

Accpeted wisdom is that FireFox security is better, but I wonder how much of that is due to less hackers attacking FireFox because it isn't important enough to be worthwhile? As its market share grows, so will the security exploits.

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If you want a fast browser then neither is the best, Opera is supposed to be faster.

I don't know about speed but Opera was always a better standards-compliant browser than anything else around (with the possible exception of Amaya). The only hit against Opera is that it costs money, otherwise I'd probably recommend it myself.

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The add-ons really make Firefox better. Looking down my list, I'm currently using 14 extensions. The best has got to be Scrapbook which allows me to take perfect copies of web pages (eg online receipts) and organise them into a hierarchy of folders.

Is that any better than IE's "Save page" facility (which allows you to take perfect copies of web pages)?

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Adblock stops those annoying "Sponsered Links" amongst others.

You can get ad-blocker extensions for IE, though I've never bothered so I don;t know how good they are.

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Security-wise I use Flashblock and NoScript. It can be slightly annoying when I go to a new site and find that everything is being blocked but I'd far rather control what Javascript is allowed to run on my PC, and Flash is just plain insecure at the moment unless Adobe have sorted out all the problems with it.

Yes, you can do that in IE too.

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Plus you've got themes which allow you to change the look of the browser - I'm using Red Cats (blue flavour).

Ok... I suppose that might be important... to some people...

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With Mozilla there's also a chance that we ordinary users can have some feedback into the design process. I use their Sunbird calendar program and was able to get involved a year or 2 ago in the online discussion about how the snooze facility for alarms should work. Can't imagine MS doing that!

Do you know how big Microsoft's user group testing, focus groups, beta tests, etc., are? They don't just sit in an ivory tower thinking up new ways to torment us, you know. (Though I've still got no idea how some of the hare-brained ideas in Office 2007 got through user testing!)

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Oh, and that's the final thing I've got against IE - Microsoft Cheesy

You see, I quite like Microsoft. Tongue

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« Reply #319 on: 19:46:55, 08-03-2008 »

The only hit against Opera is that it costs money, otherwise I'd probably recommend it myself.

Actually, Opera is free: 

http://www.opera.com/

I have a feeling that it was Opera who originally invented the idea of tabs (which I find very useful). 
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« Reply #320 on: 21:54:23, 08-03-2008 »

You see, I quite like Microsoft. Tongue

Obviously! I'm glad that IE is catching up with Firefox, I very rarely use IE7 so I've no real idea exactly what it will do now, it might even be better than FF for all I know. I doubt whether MS would have put the effort into IE7 if it weren't for the success of FF tho, they'd let it languish for years - because they can't sell new versions at an extortionate price?

As a web developer you must have found it annoying the way things like cascading style sheets are interpreted differently by different browsers. Quite a few developers obviously don't use 9 browsers to test their pages, they only seem to make sure that they work with IE. My bank still tells me every time I log in that they don't support Firefox but they do support Netscape, which has now officially gone I believe!
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« Reply #321 on: 22:44:24, 08-03-2008 »

Andy, browser compatibility has been a nightmare ever since Netscape decided to add their own bits to HTML a decade ago! Things do seem to be coming together, though, and most browsers will now interpret any given page in an acceptable (if not always identical) way. The big stumbling block is still JavaScript and the like, which is usually what leads to warnings like your bank's site  Angry

PW, I didn't realise Opera was free. I know it used to be years ago but I thought they had started charging for it. And no, I didn't see the point of tabs even back when Opera introduced them. But I suppose it depends on what you get used to...

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« Reply #322 on: 01:38:04, 09-03-2008 »

PW, I didn't realise Opera was free.
it's not free, it's shareware
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« Reply #323 on: 13:55:26, 09-03-2008 »

From the Opera web site:

"Opera is a super fast and free Web browser.
Designed to make your life easier!
Free Download Ver: 9.26

Why Opera? Safe, secure, powerful and fully customizable, the Opera Web browser is faster and more secure than other browsers available on the market. Opera delivers robust security and a far-richer feature set than any other Web browser and it's free.

Opera is the Web pioneer that delivered tabbed browsing in 2000, and Opera 9.2 features lots of other great tricks for quick navigation, including Speed Dial, a quick way to put all of your favorite daily sites at your fingertips. You can also take, save and trade Notes attached to any Web site while browsing, or Create Search shortcuts from any search field on the Web. Opera 9.26 is super fast and free, secure and stable, and offers lots of great tools for Web Developers.

Whether you're going to work, working from home, developing Web sites, or just looking for a quick, solid browser that can help you quickly access the Internet, the free Opera Web browser delivers a superior Internet experience for every aspect of your online life, with lots of extra tech tools for power users! Opera 9.2 is free to download. Get it now!"

I think it might be free Wink

I downloaded it yesterday btw tho I haven't tried it yet. I suppose that with programs that you use frequently, like browsers, it's often a matter of what you get used to - you don't want to have to think a lot about routine tasks.
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« Reply #324 on: 00:15:01, 10-03-2008 »

I stand corrected.
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« Reply #325 on: 02:45:27, 10-03-2008 »

I stand corrected.
Bet you don't, bet you're sitting down. Tongue

Just out of interest, what was the distinction you were trying to make between 'free' and 'shareware'?
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« Reply #326 on: 10:20:41, 10-03-2008 »

Just out of interest, what was the distinction you were trying to make between 'free' and 'shareware'?
Similar to the one one might make between a free demo vs. full commercial product.  Shareware software is restricted in some way, or else has 'register me' messages popping up every so often.  I think of it as a ideological precursor to the open-source movement (though that is not exactly historically correct): shareware software was  as a rule more functional than 'trial versions' or other demo software, and users were encouraged to share them if they wanted.
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« Reply #327 on: 11:50:48, 10-03-2008 »

Thanks to my preferred software distributor I believe that shareware requires a small payment to "unlock" the software while freeware is distributed at no cost.
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« Reply #328 on: 11:55:01, 10-03-2008 »

Thanks to my preferred software distributor I believe that shareware requires a small payment to "unlock" the software while freeware is distributed at no cost.
Actually, freeware can be distributed at a cost, depending on the licence (maybe it's better to say that the licence to use the software is free, I'm not sure).  For instance, there were several efforts to make commercial distributions of linux that, while they could be freely downloaded, could also be purchased as physical cds with manuals: this didn't in any way violate their licences. 

Not all freeware can be freely distributed either: many programmers like to have everyone download their software from one location under their control, so that they can personally make sure that people won't come across some out-of-date page and download some old version of the software.

I stand corrected.
Bet you don't, bet you're sitting down.
Actually I'm most commonly kneeling at my computer.

(I remember in my grannies B&B, every room had a wooden thing for kneeling/praying on, like a one-person pew: what are they called again?)
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« Reply #329 on: 14:34:26, 10-03-2008 »

Actually I'm most commonly kneeling at my computer.



Not complying with DSE use legislation, eh?
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