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oliver sudden
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« Reply #2925 on: 21:22:05, 13-09-2007 »

Fun in Warsaw.  Have you ever been there, Ollie?

We played in Krakow and Bytom in 2004 but I haven't made it to Warsaw yet. I'm looking forward to it!

Krakow was all very hip and such but Bytom was painfully grey and dirty - I'm not sure exactly what was in the air there but after a few hours it was hurting my throat. Great audience for the concert though - full hall, everyone clapping like mad - then back out into the dark streets where the only clean things were the Coke and Nescafé billboards.

Thanks for your kind wishes, Stanley.
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« Reply #2926 on: 21:24:20, 13-09-2007 »

Fun in Warsaw.  Have you ever been there, Ollie?

We played in Krakow and Bytom in 2004 but I haven't made it to Warsaw yet. I'm looking forward to it!
I played in Warsaw about 8 years ago - wonderful place. Be careful of the food, though - can be very dodgy!
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« Reply #2927 on: 21:26:49, 13-09-2007 »

  Oh, George, you've brought further joy to my heart.

I didn't travel to N.Y. to see the original London cast - chance would have been a fine thing the mid 50s -but I still have my programme for the same cast at the charming St James's Theatre, which was sited off The Haymarket.

Indeed, I was reminiscing about this production with an old school friend, only a few weeks ago, and he reminded me that the box office assistant invited us to go down to the auditorium to inspect one of the seats, on offer, as the view was slightly impeded by a pillar.  Olde world courtesy, eh?

The film version of Separate Tables" was a botched job. and only two of the original cast were used.   But Wendy Hiller made it worthwhile as the lonely proprietrix.      She and the Portman character (the M.P. not the bogus major) couldn't live together but couldn't be apart.     Back to where we started?    
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« Reply #2928 on: 21:31:33, 13-09-2007 »

She and the Portman character (the M.P. not the bogus major) couldn't live together but couldn't be apart. Back to where we started?    

Absolutely, Stanley. Undecided  The old human conundrum.
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« Reply #2929 on: 21:32:04, 13-09-2007 »

I played in Warsaw about 8 years ago - wonderful place. Be careful of the food, though - can be very dodgy!

Last place I've eaten something that seriously disagreed with me would be where, do you think? Cheesy
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« Reply #2930 on: 21:47:12, 13-09-2007 »

#2928        The separate tables scenario would provide an ideal theme for Harold Pinter.

Fun in Warsaw.  Have you ever been there, Ollie?    My one and only visit was in 1986 and I was *treated* to an official tour of the Palace of Kulture, Stalin's gift to the people of Warsaw!  Several bureaucrats sidled up to me to tell me that they'd blow-up the bloody monstrosity as soon as the Russians quit. I bet it's still there.
 

It's still there all right - I was over there for a seminar in June which took place in a hotel almost next door and our Polish hosts explained that there had been strong moves to pull it down but the sentiment that it ought to be kept as a reminder of the past prevailed. It's now used as municipal offices as well as housing a multiplex cinema.



I found Warsaw as a city a little dispiriting - there's still a lot of brutal Stalinist architecture and the corporate architecture that is replacing it is no less brutal, in its own way. But the enthusiasm of the Poles (at least the ones I met) for being part of a new Europe is infectious and touching.
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« Reply #2931 on: 00:20:12, 14-09-2007 »

 Thank you so much, pw.    As I suspected, the wretched edifice is still there, and 'even with the light behind it'  it remains gross and hideous.   And I'm sure that the lifts will still be jerky, too, without the charm of, say, the unreliable lifts in "Genevieve".   I'm glad to know that the passing of time and social circumstances have given the people a renewed energy as my memory is of a downtrodden populace, more sad than sullen.   And, yes, the sheer brutality of the architecture must be among the worst in Europe. 

A few months after I left Warsaw, I visited Prague - this was 1986 - and even with the prevailing austerity, the people were spirited and lifted two fingers to the system.    The only setback arose when I told a Russian bureaucrat that I was also seeking recordings made by Jarmilla Novotna!   She had been airbrushed out of history but his eyes told me another story. I wonder whether this neglect has now been redressed.
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« Reply #2932 on: 10:34:07, 14-09-2007 »

So when are we all going to meet down the pub and all sit alone at separate tables staring into our respective beers? Sounds like the gregarious agoraphobe's night out of choice.  Smiley
Gregarious agoraphobe.  What a wonderful turn of phrase!

I've always been one to enjoy the company of other loners Grin

Anyway, back to my rant from yesterday.  I am STILL without a working loo.  Plumber cancelled again (and as I think you will have guessed, he has been told where to go).  Contacted a very nice chap who was recommended by a local forum.  He's going to call me back later and it sounds like he will definitely be able to fit me in on Monday.  Very reasonable rates too.  Apparently the only thing that will scupper Monday is if his wife goes into labour Shocked
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« Reply #2933 on: 10:43:13, 14-09-2007 »

I do feel for you, Ruth. I had the same loo experience once (only luckily I had two loos, so I suppose it doesn't count really) and remember thinking when all was fixed that happiness was definitely a working loo.

Good luck with this one.
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« Reply #2934 on: 10:50:39, 14-09-2007 »

Apparently the only thing that will scupper Monday is if his wife goes into labour Shocked
That old one!
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« Reply #2935 on: 10:58:31, 14-09-2007 »

To be fair, he didn't actually say "I will not be able to come on Monday if my wife goes into labour".

I enquired whether he served my neighbourhood and he said he was trying to keep things very local at present as his wife is 8.5 months pregnant.  Once we had established this, he then suggested Monday.

So I believe him.
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« Reply #2936 on: 12:36:34, 14-09-2007 »

I'm cross with my younger son. We're trying to arrange for me to go and see his new house, and does he know what he is doing when??? Every time we come near to agreeing a date, he tells me to hold on as he's just thought of something. Then I hear nothing for ages. He's always been like this - he's very academically bright and has a responsible job, but he has no common sense. Drives me mad.

I don't think he reads these boards...actually I wouldn't mind if he did.
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« Reply #2937 on: 12:44:44, 14-09-2007 »

I remember thinking when all was fixed that happiness was definitely a working loo.
Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
For some reason that really reminds me of Judith Weir, Mary. (I can imagine her saying it!)

I don't think he reads these boards...actually I wouldn't mind if he did.
How would he know it was you though? Wink

I'm sorry about your son. He sounds a lot like me, actually. I'm hopeless at knowing when I'm free to meet people, unless they happen to call me on the day and arrange something for the same evening. Actually, even then I often fail to make it if it's for an early evening coffee. The best way is to phone me around 4pm and ask if I'm free for dinner. That seems to be the only reliable method.
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« Reply #2938 on: 12:48:01, 14-09-2007 »

I'm sorry about your son. He sounds a lot like me, actually. I'm hopeless at knowing when I'm free to meet people, unless they happen to call me on the day and arrange something for the same evening. Actually, even then I often fail to make it if it's for an early evening coffee. The best way is to phone me around 4pm and ask if I'm free for dinner. That seems to be the only reliable method.
I prefer meetings of that type, more spontaneous, rather than planning way in advance, which can make things very formal. Of course when people have plenty of evening engagements, or children, it isn't always practical, but it's great to just call up on the offchance and meet a few hours later or something.
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« Reply #2939 on: 12:51:56, 14-09-2007 »

I suspect it's a youth v. age thing, t-i-n. I like to know where I am and be organised in advance. He's more spontaneous, to the point of being a thorough nuisance sometimes. Since visiting him involves 200 miles on a train, phoning him at four o'clock to arrange dinner might be a bit difficult.
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