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« Reply #8340 on: 14:55:28, 03-11-2008 »

The GP also said that the Homeopathic would be closing down in a few months anyway so there was no point in referring us to it. I have come across no other reference to this impending closure so I assume he was talking out of his a**e.

Richard, your diagnosis is correct. That little scare story has been circulating for m-o-n-t-h-s and it's bollards. I've heard of more than a few GPs passing it on to patients though  Angry
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« Reply #8341 on: 14:57:38, 03-11-2008 »

I expect you've tried everything on there.  Have you tried DiproBase?  I find that very good for rashes. Very soothing and you can buy it over the counter.  Ask the pharmacist first though in case there's any reason why you shouldn't for d.u.
No I haven’t Milly – not heard of it at all.  I may seek some out – anything is worth trying!  Cheers.

My sympathies Ruby, I come out in very large and painful hives as a reaction to paracetamol (so as long as I read the label I can steer clear)  Have you been taking any sort of new headache tablets for example?  It seems stress can also be involved as a factor in urticaria, could it be that you have been very stressed about your OH?
Anty – no I’ve not taken any different tablets either. Interesting one about stress – it might link in with the way the panic attacks were back.  [I’m suddenly conscious of sounding like a right hypochondriac!]  I think I always subconsciously start stressing in the run-up to Christmas and I have been generally a bit tired and run-down - you may well be right.  I might have to dig out some old paperwork and see what time of year I first had this, or what was going on at the time.


Isn't it fun? I saw a specialist who called in a student to give a "classic textbook demonstration" by playing noughts and crosses on my back! It was at its worst when I was on holiday with the romance of the time, and ended up so covered in calamine I looked like a walking statue Sad
Oh dear – poor you Kitty!  My dermatologist got a bunch of keys out of his pocket and dragged one across my back.  It was quite painful.  I think my comment at the time was “That is definitely going to come up…”

I never did get a definitive answer to the question of what caused the problem, but was working on the assumption that azo dyes in food were the key. It might also have had something to do with a huge amount of stress all piling on at the same time, and living in a house that was very badly affected with mould. Once the stress was eliminated, my body more or less got things back under control again.
Interesting one about food dyes.  Thinking about it, I wonder if I’ve had a reaction to the stage makeup we’ve been using for the Halloween stuff.  It’s not affected me where the make up actually was, but I wonder if you absorb it in small amounts?

Richard - I have firsthand experience of the success of homeopathic medicine, which quite surprised me since I hadn't expected "nothing pills" to do anything at all. Keep pressing for a referral.
I’ve never tried homeopathy.  Did you try it for the urticaria at all?

So we've made appointments in Berlin while we're there over Xmas, which seems a bit extreme but at the same time it also seems the only way that isn't going to end up with me getting high blood pressure and having yet another rage at a member of the medical profession. (I will get manhandled out of a surgery and into a cell one of these days, or carried out in a stretcher, I swear.)

Sorry Ruby, I've hijacked your rant. Mine is now finished.
No need to apologise at all Richard– I’m very glad I don’t have eczema as I have a few friends who really suffer with it.  I certainly hope you manage to find a successful treatment for her very soon.
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« Reply #8342 on: 15:15:30, 03-11-2008 »

Marts, sorry that you feel like carp Sad Kiss but stressing up to your eyebrows isn't going to shift that bar steward bug. Can you not retreat under the duvet, at least for today, and sleep things away? Onion and garlic soup is ace for giving a cold a good kicking, although you probably don't feel much like cooking. Got any Eucalyptus oil around for an inhalation? Some people swear by echinachea and Zinc to reduce the severity of the symptoms. Hope the bug buglers off soon Kiss
Listen to Nurse Mort, martle. That sounds like someone knows what she's talking about to me. Smiley And onion and garlic soup sounds yum (or do I mean nom) anyway.

Sorry to hear about your skin problems, Ruby. I went through a period 3 or 4 years ago of what seemed like endless skin-related problems which always involved repeated trips to doctors and trying out medicines which didn't work or took ages to work or were incredibly inconvenient to apply. The first batch of problems was finally diagnosed as scabies - even though the first doctor I saw, who was supposedly my GP practice's skin specialist, thought it was something else and it was several more weeks before someone pointed out that my symptoms were classic symptoms of advanced scabies. Of course when you have something like that you're constantly itching and in pain, and also constantly worrying about what it might be, and until you do know what it is you're also wondering whether it's contagious and worrying about that.

A year or two later I had strange colouration, like moles but more extensive and more on the surface, on my skin, which wasn't painful at all but obviously wasn't about to go away unaided. That turned out to be something called pityriasis versicolor, which is a sort of fungal infection which I was told to treat by applying what is in fact dandruff shampoo overnight then rinsing it off the next morning, which in itself is quite time-consuming and leaves the skin feeling very dry. The fungus comes back often when the weather's hot but I haven't tried to treat it for a while as it seems more trouble than it's worth.

Here endeth today's medical bulletin. Oh dear, I didn't mean to write that much about my skin! Roll Eyes Richard's mention of the 'Homoeopathic Hospital' (sic) reminds me of a bit of dialogue I found very funny in a film I saw on TV as a teenager, set around the time of the Profumo scandal, with some Irish Catholic ladies gossiping after church one Sunday morning: 'Did you hear that nasty homeopath Stephen Ward's taken his own life?'

(Dr Stephen Ward was an osteopath but almost certainly not a homosexual.)
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« Reply #8343 on: 15:19:38, 03-11-2008 »

That's appalling, Richard Angry Did the GP give a reason for refusing to refer to the Homeopathic? Can you self-refer? I'd have felt hopping mad about that.

i was, and I'd already changed GPs once since moving back to London. What he said was that first we should give the cortisone a couple of months to see if it worked and then he'd see what to do next. But actually we'd been through a lot of that in Berlin just before leaving, so we knew what we were talking about and what we wanted. However this seemed not to count for anything. The GP also said that the Homeopathic would be closing down in a few months anyway so there was no point in referring us to it. I have come across no other reference to this impending closure so I assume he was talking out of his a**e. So we've made appointments in Berlin while we're there over Xmas, which seems a bit extreme but at the same time it also seems the only way that isn't going to end up with me getting high blood pressure and having yet another rage at a member of the medical profession. (I will get manhandled out of a surgery and into a cell one of these days, or carried out in a stretcher, I swear.)

Sorry Ruby, I've hijacked your rant. Mine is now finished.

PS no it isn't. The GP's name is Dr Lindall and he works at the Penrhyn Surgery in Walthamstow.

There were rumours a while ago that the Homeopathic was going to close - largely because NHS doctors were no longer referring patients to it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/may/23/health.medicineandhealth

I'm not going to win any friends by writing this, but:

There is a really difficult, almost philosophical dilemma here.  Every single properly-counducted trial demonstrates that homoeopathy does not provide a better outcome than placebo (I'd add that the conceptual underpinning of homeopathy is dubious, to put it at its absolute mildest).  It is increasingly difficult for doctors to refer patients for potentially expensive treatment in an environment where resources are stretched and where clinical trials provide the evidence base for the use of resources.  (Mainstream doctors might also have taken some exception to the fact that alternative therapists were routinely advising parents not to give their children the MMR virus, when no credible peer-reviewed evidence was ever produced to show the alleged link with autism - a cavalier attitude that will come back to haunt them, as well as the gutter press, as instances of the once nearly-eradicated measles and rubella continue to increase). 

But that doesn't mean that homeopathy doesn't get results; the placebo effect is clearly significant, but depends entirely on the patient believing that the sugar pill or whatever it is has some effect.  So do you disillusion the patient and reduce their chances of recovery?  Or do you continue to prescribe a therapy which objectively has no effect at all, on the basis that in a significant minority of patients their subjective reaction appears to be beneficial (a particularly significant issue where the condition is idiopathic)?  There's a real ethical problem here.

FWIW, I think Richard's GP's real offence was to ignore the success of the previous treatment.  If it is working, it should be continued; the placebo effect is not a trivial thing and the objective, scientific view is that the earlier treatment was triggering something in the body.  The GP's response was fundamentally unscientific and ignored the evidence.
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« Reply #8344 on: 15:22:31, 03-11-2008 »

Sorry to hear about your skin problems, Ruby. I went through a period 3 or 4 years ago of what seemed like endless skin-related problems which always involved repeated trips to doctors and trying out medicines which didn't work or took ages to work or were incredibly inconvenient to apply. The first batch of problems was finally diagnosed as scabies - even though the first doctor I saw, who was supposedly my GP practice's skin specialist, thought it was something else and it was several more weeks before someone pointed out that my symptoms were classic symptoms of advanced scabies. Of course when you have something like that you're constantly itching and in pain, and also constantly worrying about what it might be, and until you do know what it is you're also wondering whether it's contagious and worrying about that.

A year or two later I had strange colouration, like moles but more extensive and more on the surface, on my skin, which wasn't painful at all but obviously wasn't about to go away unaided. That turned out to be something called pityriasis versicolor, which is a sort of fungal infection which I was told to treat by applying what is in fact dandruff shampoo overnight then rinsing it off the next morning, which in itself is quite time-consuming and leaves the skin feeling very dry. The fungus comes back often when the weather's hot but I haven't tried to treat it for a while as it seems more trouble than it's worth.
t_i_n - those stories make a little bit of itching sound like a positive treat by comparison!  Have they all gone away now?  I certainly hope so!

the 'Homoeopathic Hospital'
Do you think you can create a homeopathic hospital by parking your car outside a standard hospital on a regular basis for weeks at a time and then parking it outside a different building so that the essence or imprint of the hospital is retained and transferred? Doesn't seem to have worked on my house.  Maybe I should have been to a more effective hospital...  Cheesy   Sorry... I'll get me coat...
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« Reply #8345 on: 15:25:22, 03-11-2008 »

So do you disillusion the patient and reduce their chances of recovery? 
But isn't homeopathy a supplementary treatment?  So whatever you do or don't believe, you'd still continue the traditional treatment, assuming that there was some available.
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« Reply #8346 on: 15:29:59, 03-11-2008 »

I'm so grateful to PW for posting that. I was wondering how to put it.
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« Reply #8347 on: 15:50:16, 03-11-2008 »

So do you disillusion the patient and reduce their chances of recovery? 
But isn't homeopathy a supplementary treatment?  So whatever you do or don't believe, you'd still continue the traditional treatment, assuming that there was some available.

Depends how it's used, Ruby. If homeopathy and only homeopathy is used in treating a condition, then it becomes an 'alternative' treatment. If it's used in conjunction with allopathic treatment then it's often referred to as being 'complementary'. If the condition is cured then, inevitably, comes the question, 'What worked? Homeopathic or allopathic treatment?' Which is where waters get muddied and tempers raised ... Sad
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« Reply #8348 on: 15:51:42, 03-11-2008 »

I see.  Thanks for clearing that up Mort.
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« Reply #8349 on: 15:57:47, 03-11-2008 »

a reaction to the stage makeup we’ve been using for the Halloween stuff. 
Or it could be that set square chafing a bit..  Cheesy


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« Reply #8350 on: 16:32:13, 03-11-2008 »

I agree with everything PW says. I'm quite aware that there's no scientific basis for the supposed efficacy of homeopathy, and that's something which as an ex-scientist myself I take seriously. The trouble is that going to the homeopath in Berlin really did make a difference to V2's health, and even at a time when she was too young to "believe" in any treatment or placebo. I think one important reason for this is that the homeopath's appointments could be anywhere between 30 and 60 minutes long and also involved much informed and useful diagnosis and advice regarding diet and all kinds of other stuff (and cost I think 60 euros for an hour). But apparently having five minutes with a rushed, bad-tempered and narrow-minded GP is supposed to be superior to this.
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« Reply #8351 on: 16:51:32, 03-11-2008 »

The trouble is that going to the homeopath in Berlin really did make a difference to V2's health, and even at a time when she was too young to "believe" in any treatment or placebo. I think one important reason for this is that the homeopath's appointments could be anywhere between 30 and 60 minutes long and also involved much informed and useful diagnosis and advice regarding diet and all kinds of other stuff (and cost I think 60 euros for an hour). But apparently having five minutes with a rushed, bad-tempered and narrow-minded GP is supposed to be superior to this.

As I understand it there is some evidence to suggest that even very small children can pick up on the reactions of parents and others around them, which can contribute to the healing process.  But I don't know the detail.
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« Reply #8352 on: 16:54:45, 03-11-2008 »

All sounds rather way out to me, but if it works, yeah why not give anything a go, i say.
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« Reply #8353 on: 16:56:38, 03-11-2008 »

That sounds very nasty, Ruby. I've never had anything like that myself but for the past few months we've been trying to deal somehow with V2 acquiring eczema on her arms, which seems similarly to be something with difficult-to-identify triggers. The GP was worse than useless, prescribing cortisone cream which of course treats the symptoms but not the cause, and is not good stuff to use in the long term anyway, and he refused to refer us to the Royal Homoeopathic Hospital which I thought would be worth trying since in the past (ie. in Germany, where this kind of medicine is taken more seriously) she has responded well to homeopathy. Have you tried it?
That sounds quite appallingly narrow-minded and arrogant (and possibly even dangerously so). Forgive my ignorance, but who is "V2"? Whoever, I hope that recovery has taken place.
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« Reply #8354 on: 17:17:55, 03-11-2008 »

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