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Author Topic: Meeting Life's Challenges & Upsets  (Read 26265 times)
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« Reply #345 on: 10:15:35, 23-08-2007 »

Mornin' Mort,

I hope you are in the 'one step forward' mode... you did the right thing. You now have space and time to look around you at the world and renew your involvement. You can look at nice men without feeling... better not... you can charm the pants off someone (which, it appears, you are able to do well!!!) and enjoy the experience.

Move forward Mort... think on the future not the past ( if you can !!)

Love from another of your friends.. and him.

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« Reply #346 on: 10:29:49, 23-08-2007 »

Be strong, Mort! You're in my thoughts.
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« Reply #347 on: 10:33:09, 23-08-2007 »

Dear Mort,

Good luck and best wishes.

Love Baz Smiley
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« Reply #348 on: 10:36:10, 23-08-2007 »

I always feel sorry that I don't feel able to say helpful things in this sort of situation, but it's so long since I had that sort of problem that I really can't remember what it's like, except that it was very painful at the time. The one thing I do know is that it passes and that almost everyone goes through it, and survives, with more wisdom and knowledge.

Another point that few, if any, people have made, is that it is perfectly possible to be single and happy. I know lots of people like that, and have myself been single, married, widowed, though never divorced. Getting into another relationship isn't always the answer.
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« Reply #349 on: 10:38:04, 23-08-2007 »

The support people muster on these boards is really moving. It's wonderful to be part of a community.
Well, would just like to interject something here, simply a note of caution (from a lot of experience in this respect). Online communities, or online interactions in general, can be very deceptive - it's far too easy to feel superficially close to people you don't really know, or at least would know very differently if you saw them regularly in real-life. The distance that is provided by the fact that people are speaking from behind computer screens makes it easy to write/say things that you wouldn't do, or at least not so readily, otherwise. And one builds up mental pictures of people (not just in terms of what they look like, but more widely in terms of personality) that again are often far off the mark, and can start spending more 'time' with online friends than real ones. Remember that, for every single person you know online, chances are you are only seeing of them what they want you to see. The medium (in whichever format) is attractive to those who want an easy feeling of community that can be accessed whenever they want; this is an un-maintainable ideal, and as such, when things turn a bit sour between people in that community, it can seem more upsetting than it would in other circumstances. Obviously things are a little different her to some other places, as quite a few of us either knew each other previously, meet, or have met. But bear in mind - in the case of the latter options, even though we might meet from time to time, does that necessarily mean, in the case of any pair or group of people here, that we would otherwise meet regularly (if that were practical) if we only knew each other from a real-life encounter? If not, then one should be sceptical about whether the people can be called genuine friends or not.

I'm sorry, people might dislike what I'm going to say here, but I have found the events of the last few days here a little worrying. I wouldn't dream of advising anyone on what to do when a relationship has gone sour unless I knew both people very well indeed. There's always another side, and sometimes neither party really has an idea of what the other feels about things, what their problems are, etc. But the idea of making a decision about whether to stay with someone, or urging one, amongst people who in some cases are strangers one only knows from posts on here - well, what is the word coming to? One's personal future swayed by an online forum?? And Mort, how would you feel if some future partner of yours did the same? Do you think the other people on whatever forum they went to would have a rounded, balanced view of what you, or your relationship, are like, just on the basis of what he had told them? I'm not remotely going to say anything about whether this was the right thing to do or not - I have no way of knowing, nor do most people here. Here people will often tell you what you want to hear - those aren't your real friends. Don't make this 'community' into a substitute for real friends. Like everyone else, I really hope you'll be happy one way or another, but that is a general feeling of goodwill, not a comment on particular circumstances.

And I'm saying this as someone who's been heavily involved in musical and political forums for some time, as well as having met many people for romantic or casual encounters from online. The one thing I know above all from that is that wherever possible, one should try and shift one's interactions from online to real-life as soon as is possible (I usually cut people dead if I've been speaking to them for more than two weeks and they won't speak on the phone or something) - it's always very different. Would many people deny that when they first met people from here in the flesh, quite a few of them were very different from how they had imagined them to be?
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« Reply #350 on: 11:10:19, 23-08-2007 »

You do have a point Ian, but really Mort is too intelligent not to make her own decisions anyway.  All we're doing is showing our friendship (even if it is "virtual") and support.  She doesn't have to take anyone's advice but seeing different opinions can often help sort out your own.  I find this anyway.  Mort and I have corresponded by email and spoken on the 'phone but have never met. 

I think most people are just grateful for the support of the community.  The fact that you think it may be a "false" community makes no difference really.  It is a form of communication and that is very important.  I'm always grateful for online support when I have a problem even though I'm probably never going to meet any of you.  In fact in my case I like the anonymity of the support.

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« Reply #351 on: 11:57:27, 23-08-2007 »

Ian, I take your point and it is a valid one. I do realise that this is not all about moi, but I would like to point out that the kindness of strangers (hope I don`t have pay McEwan royalties for that !) is  spontaneous and unconditional, and that is what I see manifested, often, on this MB.

Any decision that I took yesterday was in no way influenced by anything that anyone posted on this board. However, that decision being made, it has been rather nice to have some `virtual` support. Now, if someone could just sort out the mess that is my kitchen .....
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« Reply #352 on: 12:02:18, 23-08-2007 »

Now, if someone could just sort out the mess that is my kitchen .....

On its way Mort.  I've sent my favourite little friends to help.

http://www.visit4info.com/preview-flash.cfm?type=3&vm=1&adid=28063
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« Reply #353 on: 12:14:05, 23-08-2007 »

(hope I don`t have pay McEwan royalties for that !)
Not unless he's paying them himself to the Tennessee Williams estate, Mort! It's from A Streetcar Named Desire ...

I do understand Ian's points too, but I think it would be presumptuous of any of us to think just because you'd asked us for advice that we were the main factor in your final decision. I'm not going to say I think you've made the right choice, even though it sounds like you have, because I don't know both people involved and don't know all the background, but I think most people's messages on here could be interpreted as expressions of support rather than as telling you what you should do. They're meant well, and I'm sure you're capable of ignoring the ones that aren't relevant for you.

I've met people in person after talking to them on various websites, and I'd actually say that this is the one website where most people I've met have been almost exactly as I imagined them from their online personas.
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« Reply #354 on: 12:24:01, 23-08-2007 »

On its way Mort.  I've sent my favourite little friends to help.

http://www.visit4info.com/preview-flash.cfm?type=3&vm=1&adid=28063

I could do with them too, Milly! Thanks for the link.
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« Reply #355 on: 12:25:52, 23-08-2007 »

Tcha ! tinners. I was thinking of The Comfort of Strangers`.  Jeez, where`s that peroxide? Cheesy
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« Reply #356 on: 12:43:21, 23-08-2007 »

I think it would be presumptuous of any of us to think just because you'd asked us for advice that we were the main factor in your final decision.
Yes, it shouldn't be forgotten that for all of us (well, most of us, as far as I know) this online community (and/or whatever others we might be concerned with) is only a part of our lives, albeit an enjoyable, enlightening and, when we need it, supportive one. It's understood by all of us (well, most, as above) that we are more than the sum of our posts.

Since Mort mentioned her situation here, it would have been very unpleasant for her if everyone else had ignored it rather than offering sympathy and support, and, inevitably, opinions. If Mort seemed to be the kind of person who'd be swayed in her important decisions by a messageboard, I think we'd all have been a lot more circumspect about what was said.

Best wishes, Mort. Be good to yourself.
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« Reply #357 on: 12:47:50, 23-08-2007 »

Best wishes, Mort. Be good to yourself.

Quite agree Richard.  Grin

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« Reply #358 on: 13:15:03, 23-08-2007 »

If something is helpful I dont think it matters if it is "virtual".

Mort,

Getting back to the hope thing....remember what we talk about to our dying patients - don't lose hope, just hope for different things.

Breaking up is awful, but staying together when it is all wrong is worse. (IMHO)

Keep smiling, babe xx   Smiley
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« Reply #359 on: 13:23:23, 23-08-2007 »

Ian, you have a point... but not completely. When given the facts of Mort's 'case' it appears that this partner disappeared without trace for days/weeks, wouldn't say where, how long. When he returned he didn't say either... didn't seem to mind that Mort broke up with him.... it is not rocket science to say that not all was well... whether or not this information is on the phone, email, message board or even in a novel.

We have all had experience of relationships that went wrong , certainly after 103 years of life I have !! ...so I think any 'advice' or comments to someone who we care about even on the message boards is valid. IHMO.
Mort is no fool, she only wants some comfort and love... she has plenty from us, because we do care.

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