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Author Topic: Meeting Life's Challenges & Upsets  (Read 26265 times)
Milly Jones
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« Reply #90 on: 16:12:28, 04-05-2007 »

When I'm in a black hole of depression which I have to say is happening less and less these days thank goodness - I just think of all the people I saw struggling to stand up in the hospital where my husband was.  Towards the end of his illness he became paralysed from the waist down due to spinal tumours and he was sent for weekly physiotherapy.  I had never realised before how many people can't even get up into a standing position from a chair.

We take so much for granted on a daily basis - just the luxury of being able to walk across a room, or see the sunset, or hear the music.  So many people are unable to do these things.

This usually gives me personally a sense of perspective and makes me fight my way back to enjoying life whilst I have all my faculties, so to speak.
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« Reply #91 on: 16:31:23, 04-05-2007 »

Depression isn't so much about being unhappy as lacking energy, being incapable of fighting the overwhelming feelings of despair and futility. You can't dig yourself out of the hole because you can't see where the sky is, and anyway there's a suffocating black cloud sitting above you. All you can do is climb back into bed and pull the duvet up over your head. All the 'count your blessings' approach does is increase the sense of guilt and reinforce the feeling that there is no one in the world who understands how you're feeling.

Or so they tell me.

cw
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #92 on: 16:35:20, 04-05-2007 »

That is all true, crimewriter. There's a lot of truth in Milly's prescription, but only for fairly mild cases, I suspect. Thinking about all the awful things that can happen to people can make despair worse, not better.
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« Reply #93 on: 16:49:53, 04-05-2007 »

Yes Mary, Milly's prescription is excellent for attacks of boredom or selfishness, maybe, also jealousy and sloth -- don't ask how I know these things -- but for true depression you just have to grit your teeth and ask your useless GP for another bottle of the Euphoria Pills. Then you can go out for a long walk and think what a wonderful world we live in.

Oh, and singing helps. Especially in company.

Now I'll shut up.

cw
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roslynmuse
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« Reply #94 on: 17:00:15, 04-05-2007 »


Friends, laughter, music, spirituality, all these are wonderful things, as is the cameraderie of this message board; but sometimes they are not enough, and, in another context, I wrote these words:

"Depression is the absence of hope.
Hope is what allows us to plan for the future, to make it bearable to think about the future. When the future is hopeless - we think "what's the point?"
A paradox - hope is what allows us to think about the past with joy, and not for it to be poisoned by thoughts of "it can never be so again."
Hope makes the present a pleasure. We can live in it with energy when we have hope.
Past, present, future - all are possible only with hope."



I don't know if this is any use, but it is what I posted back in the early days of this thread, and my thinking is still much the same. Crimewriter puts it all extremely well, and I agree very strongly with Mary too.

Kitty - your first post resonated so much with recent experiences of mine. I can only echo the good wishes that others have passed on, say that - hard as it is to believe - things can get better, and --- we are all here for you in this unique cyber-community.
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« Reply #95 on: 17:32:44, 04-05-2007 »

Depression is `absence of hope.
We all lose hope sometimes.
I don't know how I survived to this point because I had bee without any hope most of my life.
This was my perception.

The sad truth although we go through this lose of hope (most of us know what it is) we still don't help each other.
That what I find appoling.
But do people have to help? Not all people are generose, not all people are giving. Some people are selfish, some people are too did not live through the experience and can not help, some are too young to understand, some are too old.

In any case despaire is the worse feeling. There is a solution to every problem, we just don't see it. This doesn't help, I know.
Some times we need patience and we have to wait to see solution and sometimes we have to be active.

I don't know what will help, but I know that with support and good calm positive mood problems will be solved.

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Milly Jones
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« Reply #96 on: 20:12:23, 04-05-2007 »

Yes Mary, Milly's prescription is excellent for attacks of boredom or selfishness, maybe, also jealousy and sloth -- don't ask how I know these things -- but for true depression you just have to grit your teeth and ask your useless GP for another bottle of the Euphoria Pills. Then you can go out for a long walk and think what a wonderful world we live in.

Oh, and singing helps. Especially in company.

Now I'll shut up.

cw

I take your point.  However, I've been in that black hole often, in my case caused by grief - so perhaps that's different to clinical depression.  Counting my blessings works for me personally - I don't necessarily advocate it for anyone else.   Also the knowledge that my loved ones are very unhappy when I grieve makes me drag myself up by my bootstrings.  Also the fact that the person I'm grieving over would have hated to see me in such a state.....all these factors make me surface to face another day.  I've never taken anything, nor asked for anything, in the way of medication but that is also my personal choice and I don't judge anyone else for getting what they may need in this respect.

I hope you feel better soon, Kitty.  My very best wishes to you. x
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« Reply #97 on: 20:20:35, 04-05-2007 »

I've not looked at this thread before, but having now done so, would like to add my best wishes. I can't contribute anything more useful though.
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #98 on: 22:38:56, 04-05-2007 »

Milly, I think that the misery of losing someone (which you and I know about) is different from clinical depression, though it could trigger it, perhaps. I've had both, but not at the same time.
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« Reply #99 on: 23:38:33, 30-05-2007 »

Firstly, apologies for dragging this thread out of the depths again, but i fear there is nowhere else to turn without appearing deeply jealous.

I have a real problem with quietness. I've been trying to work on it for some time, but of late the methods i have been using just don't seem to be having any effect. Every day i see people around me establishing friendships and going off having what seems to be the time of their lives (is that not the point of uni Tongue) and it seems so utterly simple for them. How I wish even starting a conversation, let alone a lasting friendship, was that easy for me.

even to get any further than "hi how are you?" is a hard job. just rarely think of anything else to say, and many times when i do by the time i've thought of it the appropriate moment seems to have passed. This is usually accompanied by some eerie silence and some back-stabbing glances.

and what's more people are always too polite to tell you what they think of you. that really annoys me. I've had one say "you're just happy in your own company". Well meant maybe, but it's not going to help the situation.


Compared to the rest of this thread this is all total triviality, i know. And I'm well aware that this all smacks of hyper-moody-recently-come-out-of-teenager-but-not-quite-fully-there-in-measure-of-adult-mentality-syndrome.

too much mahler 9, i suspect  Embarrassed
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« Reply #100 on: 23:47:46, 30-05-2007 »

In my opinion you are lucky person eruanto. I have completely opposite problem. I am chatty and can talk to almost anybody. I am interested in every thing about the person. I am so fascinated that people are so different.
I think in reality it is better to be in the middle like usual. If one is happy inside himself, but also curious about other people, then one is balanced well.
I of course also have a cultural problem because I come from the empire that is no more. What we were taught is not applicable really.
I met different people in my life. Some people are talkative, some less so and some don't like to talk at all. People adjust to that and accept it.
I learn that one has to wait for the right people and if things don't work out with some people not to take it too close to heart. If people think some one is strange it means that he is different from them. Perhaps they are looking for someone different.
From your post on the board I find that you are pleasant and charming poster (I think you are a man).

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« Reply #101 on: 00:13:48, 31-05-2007 »

Hi Eruanto

Don't know if this helps in any way, but you might try turning the problem on its head - ie those people who you are saying "hi" to should be bouncing a conversational ball back to you, therefore the problem lies in their lack of social skills rather than anything to do with you! (The other trick I had was just to listen to what other people were saying and realise that most of it was verbal diarrhoea anyway!!!)

What you say makes me think that there are people at your Uni who are missing out on some good, interesting and sensitive company - that is certainly what comes over in your message. And it's certainly not total triviality - nothing that makes anyone unhappy is trivial.

Friendships come at the most unexpected moments, and the best ones are unforced, not manufactured! Hang on in there, be your unique self!

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« Reply #102 on: 00:44:15, 31-05-2007 »

I second what Roslynmuse said.
If it makes it easier I can tell you what i find fascinating about people.

Where they come from? What kind of books they read? What are their interest? Do they like theater? Do they like music?
I try to find out as much as possible about a person. I really want to know. However, some people can find it too much.
Anybody could be criticized. One is either too young, or too old, too talkative or not talking too much.
There are people that find pleasure to find what is wrong with other people.

The true friendships do come though. You have to wait for it to happen (may be long, may be short time).
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« Reply #103 on: 00:57:12, 31-05-2007 »

Eruanto,

Thanks for writing to us about that. I've been trying to write something helpful but I've been finding it difficult at this time of night! I agree with tp and roslynmuse, though. I would add that being a student can be especially tough because expectations of having the time of one's life can be unrealistically high. Students are not the easiest of people to get on with either, I think, as many of them are more adolescent than they would care to admit. I personally found people easier to get on with as I (and they) got older. I've never found small talk easy but, although one should make an effort it is wrong to try too hard and it is more important to be yourself, relax, and above all never dislike yourself for who you are. I guess you are more sensitive than most and that is something to be proud of.
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Mary Chambers
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« Reply #104 on: 09:48:00, 31-05-2007 »

I resist the idea that "having a good time" means a lot of going out, drinking and socialising. For many thoughtful people, it's the opposite - reading, thinking, listening to music. Somehow you have to find similar people to yourself, which isn't easy because by definition they are not out there socialising. Is there a music society, choir or orchestra that you could join, where you would probably meet like-minded people? You don't need a crowd of friends - one or two good ones are enough.

It helps perhaps to remember that most people just love talking about themselves, so asking questions of the type mentioned by t-p can be a good ice-breaker. What people really want is someone who is interested in them, not someone with a lot of sparkling and witty conversation.

If I were a student again, you are the type I would want as my friend!
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