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Eruanto
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« Reply #150 on: 12:50:39, 20-04-2008 »

I think the boundaries are less well-defined in S. I would say this extract was developmentally-inclined (from D960): a tertiary modulation (although this is very common), the same melodic shape as the main theme, and using it to create a longer melody.



And yet it starts at bar 20 Shocked
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« Reply #151 on: 12:56:09, 20-04-2008 »

Nice example, eru. But that's S being melodically inventive (which he certainly is!) rather than developmental - he's really only spinning out the neopolitan 6th Gb major passage to give more heft to the return to Bb a few bars later, right? It's still only in phase 1 of the exposition.
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« Reply #152 on: 13:11:48, 20-04-2008 »

Maybe, but I think it only becomes apparent that it's note-spinning - that bit particularly, towards the end it's obvious - when the Bb is reached, it's so cleverly done.

phase 1

A very suitable term!
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« Reply #153 on: 13:28:49, 20-04-2008 »

A non-pianist writes:

I think specific qualities of texture are more important in Schubert than in Beethoven, with the result that on "modern" pianos more or less everything essential about Beethoven survives, but something crucial is missing from Schubert unless it's played on the "right" kind of instrument. Also, Beethoven's sense of timing is very different from Schubert's and contributed strongly to subsequent ideas (Liszt, Wagner etc.) of what constitutes "dramatic" and "exciting" music. Schubert's sense of timing frequently involves a compulsion to "hold on" to some thought/texture, even as it slips away as if waking from a dream, something quite alien to Beethoven's way of thinking and which requires a certain kind of attention on both the performer's and the listener's part so that it doesn't come across as undramatic "note-spinning".
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« Reply #154 on: 13:40:18, 20-04-2008 »

If a performer does not top voice the opening melody in chords, then the contrast when it reappears in extended form as a single line in G-flat is all the more pronounced. Incidentally, the low tremolo just preceding the modulation was originally notated either as a trill or unmeasured tremolo (I don't remember which), which suggests a greater similarity with the earlier trills than one usually hears.
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« Reply #155 on: 20:42:08, 21-04-2008 »

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« Reply #156 on: 21:26:35, 21-04-2008 »

We've got Yevgeny Sudbin playing for us tomorrow: Haydn, Chopin, Medtner & Ravel.  People in our Society who are not given to bandying superlatives reckon this guy promises to be a pianist of historic significance but I can't remember ever having heard him play so it should be interesting!  I notice he's making his Proms debut with Rachmaninov 1 so he obviously has the confidence to go outside the usual crowd-pleaser repertoire.
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« Reply #157 on: 22:08:53, 21-04-2008 »

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Why, and what was it, Turfman?
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« Reply #158 on: 00:08:41, 22-04-2008 »

We've got Yevgeny Sudbin playing for us tomorrow

I've looked at his website but, as with so many artists, it's way out of date, no mention of your concert tomorrow. There's the Wigmore last Dec then the Bath Festival in June - and that's it.
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« Reply #159 on: 03:07:06, 22-04-2008 »

I attended a concert by the Russian Academic Chamber Orchestra, Musica Viva (or at least much of their string section) last night. They played Mozart's Divertimento D Major, K. 136 - a very vivacious performance - Haydn's Concerto for Cello and Orchestra C Major, which was hampered a bit by the occasional flubbed note by soloist (and conductor) Sergei Roldugin. The second half was the Russian set, featuring Tchaikovsky's Serenade For String Orchestra, Op. 48, a piece that displayed a superb dynamic range, while justifying the identification as a serenade throughout, which I thought spoke well of the players' restraint and skill, and Shokstakovich's Scherzo, Op 11, which was, simply, wild, and played with a suitable energy.

So, far this year, I've seen a solo piano recital, a wind section from France and now this. If I see a percussion ensemble next, I suppose I can put it all together in my mind and imagine I've attended a performance by a symphony orchestra!
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« Reply #160 on: 08:58:17, 22-04-2008 »

We've got Yevgeny Sudbin playing for us tomorrow

I've looked at his website but, as with so many artists, it's way out of date, no mention of your concert tomorrow.

Hi Andy.  Yes, these websites are often worse than useless, aren't they?  Mention of tonight's recital is, perhaps, not really expected.  Though the concert is at our biggest (and acoustically worst) venue we've been warned to get there very early if we want a guest ticket and members might even have trouble getting in themselves if they arrive too close to the starting time.  I'll post a report when I get back - though I'm afraid it will be pretty much limited to subjective comments on how pleased/disappointed I was! 

Must set off on the long trek South now.

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« Reply #161 on: 20:12:31, 23-04-2008 »

Interesting recital by Yevgeny Sudbin last night.  He opened with two Haydn Sonatas (47 & 60) which he played crisply and with obvious affection.  The two Chopin Mazurkas (23 & 25) that followed were a different matter; I’m sure he played them well enough but my mind kept going back ten years or so to another Evgeny in his twenties and I couldn’t help thinking I found Kissin’s readings much more exciting.  It could just be that I was younger then, but I don’t think so.  Kissin playing Chopin miniatures was electric then (and probably still is).

After the interval the advertised Medtner sonata was replaced with four Mazurkas by…Scriabin.  I know my fellow board members are very erudite and might not have been surprised; but Scriabin and dance miniatures is not a combination that would have occurred to me.  Anyway, these Op 3 pieces (nos 3,6,1&4 to be precise) were most enjoyable – so much so that I bought Sudbin's disc with these pieces on it after the recital.  The fitting climax, though, was Ravel’s ‘Gaspard de la Nuit’.  Fellow non-musicians will know what I mean when I say this sounds as though it’s phenomenally difficult to play.  Maybe it’s an illusion but, like many of Liszt’s piano works, there seems to be so much going on at the same time that it’s hard for the listener, let alone the performer, to keep up.  But, as with Liszt, the overall effect is always enjoyable and exciting – especially in live performance.  Sudbin brought it off wonderfully and had everyone clamouring for an encore which, understandably but frustratingly, he didn’t supply (Kissin, of course, would have given us half a dozen but we can’t have everything, can we?).

To put the icing on the cake, Sudbin wrote his own programme notes which were very informative and gave an insight into his enthusiasm for the music.  The English was so  good that I’m pretty sure he got someone to tidy them up but I mustn't carp.  His Rachmaninov 1 is now firmly on my Proms ‘must see’ list.
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« Reply #162 on: 22:22:37, 23-04-2008 »

Thanks for interesting review, HtoHe.
I am glad that you liked Scriabin. He has many miniature pieces (Preludes, Mazurkas). There are also Studies. Many are very enjoyable. You can see change in style with time.

I am going to look for Yevgeny Sudbin now and try to listen to him.
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« Reply #163 on: 11:29:56, 24-04-2008 »

I am glad that you liked Scriabin. He has many miniature pieces (Preludes, Mazurkas). There are also Studies. Many are very enjoyable. You can see change in style with time.

I have been exposed to Scriabin before, t-p; mostly the large orchestral works but also piano sonatas etc.  I wouldn't have been surprised by Preludes, Etudes, Nocturnes etc.  I just didn't associate him with Mazurkas or dances in general.  I notice, though, that my new disc has not just the four Mazurkas but a Waltz as well.  I'm looking forward to playing it when I finally catch up on my work after my 400-mile round trip to the recital.  I hope you succeed in finding some of Sudbin's work on the net.
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« Reply #164 on: 22:58:49, 25-04-2008 »

Great concert tonight by the fine Tippett Quartet. Their programme was:

Stephen Dodgson: Quartet No. 1
Elizabeth Maconchy: Quartet No. 5
Nicola LeFanu: Quartet No. 2
Michael Tippett: Quartet No. 2

It was all over far too soon as far as I was concerned. I particularly enjoyed the Maconchy which I've known for some years now. It was good that Nicola LeFanu (EM's daughter) was able to come to the concert.

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