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Ian Pace
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« Reply #255 on: 19:45:13, 04-06-2008 »

martle, very much look forward to seeing you some time soon, either on the 19th or in early July, for some well-earned drinks for mutually sympathetic hard-worked markers!
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« Reply #256 on: 19:52:13, 04-06-2008 »

Planning on being there on 19th and July 4th, Ian. Bevvies all round.  Smiley

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« Reply #257 on: 23:38:45, 04-06-2008 »

I just got back from the RLPO concert I mentioned earlier – the one with Janine Jansen and Carmina Burana.  Unfortunately my brother and his children couldn’t come.  I’m pretty sure they would have enjoyed it, as did I.  The hall was about 90% full which I suppose is what one would expect for a big name and a big choral work; but as they’re repeating the programme tomorrow it must rank as a pretty impressive turnout.  But although I enjoyed the concert, found it good value for money compared with other forms of entertainment, would recommend it to anyone etc etc, you’ll have to forgive me for saying the two thoughts uppermost in my mind after the gig were mildly negative.

Firstly, I just can’t see JJ as an exceptional performer.  I remember being underwhelmed by her Mendelssohn concerto at the Proms (via radio) a few years ago.  Tonight was probably the first time I’ve heard her in the hall and I must say she didn’t strike me as anything special – a good performer, of course, but without, say, the charisma of Vengerov or the intensity of Kremer or Mutter.  Certainly the generosity of some of those performers was missing; we got two very short pieces (Sarasate’s Zigeunerweisen and Ravel’s Tzigane) and not a sniff of an encore (though, to be fair, she might not have been allowed to do an encore with a long piece coming after the interval)

Secondly I was surprised at the rapturous applause for a pretty ordinary performance of Carmina Burana.  I’m the last person to begrudge the performers the wholehearted appreciation of the audience but this standing ovation with whooping and whistling left me wondering what happens if a performance really is out of the ordinary.  It’s possible, of course, that I was the only person who didn’t think this performance was extraordinary; but I’ve noticed this kind of enthusiasm at almost every concert I’ve attended at the Phil – they can’t all be historic occasions!

That said, though, there are still tickets left for tomorrow and it’s still probably the best vfm night out in Liverpool.
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« Reply #258 on: 00:27:44, 05-06-2008 »

This should perhaps be in the Grump Room, but I (obviously, since it's on right this minute) didn't make it to eru's recital after all. Just too much examining and related meetings and admin the last few days. Boo!

Really hope it went well, eru my boy.  Smiley

Well I'd like to hear what eru thought of it, but until he posts (I expect he's having a beer a two now) you'll have to make do with the impressions of a violinist non-pianist who doesn't really know the repertoire but might just have an OK pair of ears......

I thought he was bloody brilliant.

Rachmaninov's Etudes-Tableaux no.s 7, 8, and 9 just came off really well.  No.7 especially.  "Poise" and "crispness" I think are good words.  Occasionally I felt the lower registers got lost a little when the upper chords were pedalled, but that could just have been the room.  And there was the odd misfire when leaping for higher notes.  But all told, these performances had drive and vigour, and a really good sense of direction.  I liked it a lot.

The Brahms intermezzi were every bit as good as in April, if not better.  I think the thing I like about eru's Brahms is that I can hear the overall structure, the phrase shapes and then nuances within those.  It's a very organic experience listening to it, like something is growing, breathing, swaying.  And it has a definite direction.  3 notes always lead somewhere (or go away from somewhere...)

Ragamuffin was again great fun.  Perhaps in the early stages a little cloudier than at the earlier gig?  But as the work went on eru got back into his stride and really brought it off with aplomb.

You boarders who keep missing eru's gigs really should get your acts into gear.  You really are missing something.

The other performer was really good too.  (I won't name her, seeing as I'm not going to name eru).  She started with the 15th of the Vingt Regards.  It took me a while to get used to the fact that she moved around so much (eru is quite straight), and I felt her laying was a bit flat in the early stages.  This regard has three chords leading to a fourth, and that pattern keeps repeating.  I found the 3 chords didn't go anywhere, and couldn't work out whether I liked this or not (and I spent some time trying to experience it as just 3 chords all the same).  In the end she moved on to the section where the LH alone takes up the chords and the RH goes off and does something fancy.  I was gobsmacked.

Her Beethoven Sonata Op.2 No.2 was damn good too.  Different work, but I found the bottom was not swamped by the top, and here was some terrifically crisp interpretation (and electric runs!  My fave!).  Occasionally I was distracted by inconsistent note lengths, and it was a sadly underwhelming ending.  But a very accomplished player and someone to watch out for.

Two very different presentations.  eru walked on, did the business, minimal fuss about all that bowing nonsense....  but was visibly in a completely different space when sat on the piano stool - totally connected with what he was doing.  The other spoke about her two works (I found it annoying), moved around a lot (I got used to it), and had several hand flourishes after quite phrases (never got that one).

This was all a revelation for me.  I am an emphatic player and I have been told I move a lot.  But I find my  movement is a physical by-product / reaction to having to get the bow to do what I want (and not at all conscious).  I also find that chamber musicians can read what I am about to do very easily.  What surprised me today was that I really enjoyed watching someone look so calm and still and yet get such movement out of the music.

Top marks, eru.

Looking forward to the next gig.

Tommo
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« Reply #259 on: 15:16:50, 05-06-2008 »

Many thanks for your staunch support Tommo. Never mind, martle Smiley

I wasn't pleased with the piano, not only because I could have done with a full-size grand - that would have done the Rach's a world of good -, but it was really hard to deal with. When I first arrived the music stand was in (and UP Roll Eyes) and the sound was as though it was kept inside a box. Taking it out improved that slightly, but the touch wasn't helpful either.

It was in the first Rachmaninov and Ragamuffin that the difficulty presented by this was most apparent. No. 7 is hard enough on any instrument (I wasn't really ready), but as it was it was tough, and there were occasions when I was using the pedal to hide under, I fear. The Ireland wasn't great, though it did get better towards the end.

Some very philosophical sentences there regarding the Brahms, tommo. A different experience playing them this time. They're only 15 minutes, but when they end it feels as though a world has passed, and I find it very hard now to remember what went on. I feel they are an entrance to my psyche, if I may say so.

(I won't name her, seeing as I'm not going to name eru). 
Ermm... Embarrassed

Interesting reading your views on movement there. I've made my views known on here (in relation to one particular pianist...). A more mundane issue to consider is the clothes that the performer happens to be wearing. I'd never tried playing Rach in a suit before, and I wasn't convinced it helped me, but that can't be helped. I would say that I move as much as is necessary, but rarely more; only in the most ideal conditions - piano, nerves, repertoire - do I become a little more active.

The other player came second in this year's internal Beethoven competition, judged by Bernard Roberts. I too was a little put off by her introductions, but that was largely because I thought that I might have been supposed to do that as well and nobody had told me.

So, difficult circumstances, but overall I was pleased. Smiley
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« Reply #260 on: 15:38:37, 05-06-2008 »


Secondly I was surprised at the rapturous applause for a pretty ordinary performance of Carmina Burana.  I’m the last person to begrudge the performers the wholehearted appreciation of the audience but this standing ovation with whooping and whistling left me wondering what happens if a performance really is out of the ordinary.  It’s possible, of course, that I was the only person who didn’t think this performance was extraordinary; but I’ve noticed this kind of enthusiasm at almost every concert I’ve attended at the Phil – they can’t all be historic occasions!



I didn't go to this one. I've heard (and sung) Carmina Burana several times too often. The performance had probably been hyped on Classic FM, which is no doubt good for audience figures but may bring indiscriminating audiences. (Is there a snob smiley?) And Petrenko, I think, has a strong unofficial fan club - audiences always seem to go mad if he's on the podium. Does it count as a standing ovation when it's only a minority of the audience, as it was at the Mahler concert?  I always stay firmly sitting down.
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« Reply #261 on: 17:07:11, 05-06-2008 »

A very enthusiastic review for that Beethoven/Mahler concert in the Telegraph, Mary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/06/04/bmclassical104.xml  There wasn't any sign of Radio 3 being in attendance was there?
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« Reply #262 on: 22:22:51, 05-06-2008 »

but may bring indiscriminating audiences. (Is there a snob smiley?) 

I thought the audience behaviour where I was sitting was better than average if anything, Mary: no talking during the performance; no mobiles went off; nobody waited for the opening bars before rooting around for their glasses, hankies etc.  Even the incredibly badly-designed text booklet (8 sides of stiff A4 stapled in a way that made it near-impossible to use quietly) didn't cause too much disturbance as most people didn't try to follow it.  I couldn't comment on how discriminating they were.

And Petrenko, I think, has a strong unofficial fan club - audiences always seem to go mad if he's on the podium. Does it count as a standing ovation when it's only a minority of the audience, as it was at the Mahler concert?  I always stay firmly sitting down.

It was certainly a majority standing to applaud last night.  I thought it might be a local tradition (from what I've seen anyone who doesn't get a standing ovation at the Concertgebouw, for example, might want to consider following another profession) but I don't remember it from when I used to go to the Phil years ago.  I don't think it was the Petrenko effect - Vernon Handley certainly got the same treatment (OK, perhaps not so much whistling!) a few months ago, as you'll remember ; though I actually did think that was a very good performance.  Strangely enough, the jazz audiences seemed less demonstrative.

A very enthusiastic review for that Beethoven/Mahler concert in the Telegraph, Mary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/06/04/bmclassical104.xml  There wasn't any sign of Radio 3 being in attendance was there?

I'm regretting missing that one even more now, George.  The August 1st Prom looks very attractive.
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« Reply #263 on: 23:43:26, 05-06-2008 »

Tonight was LSO/Gergiev Mahler Adagio from 10 and 9. The 10 was fine enough, but of course my immediate reaction was, why couldn't they have carried on?
Then the 9. Hmm. The first two movements were good, although the audience member next to me was clearly unable to stand the slight longueurs at the end of both these movements, for a series of drawn-out huffs interrupted proceedings occasionally. The 3rd movement I was really disappointed with. It was performed really sloppily; dodgy intonation, string sections apparently not substantial enough to match the brass and even some straight-forward miscounting. 4th movement started well, perhaps the strings had been saving themselves for this because they were duly emotionally powerful here. However, when the section with just high first violins and contrabassoon (?) was reached, VG suddenly upped the tempo, and did so in all equivalent bits thereafter, which totally eradicated any sort of desolate feelings there should have been. Left me with a most unsatisfying impression, and for once the reason I didn't applaud was not because I was too moved to do so.
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« Reply #264 on: 08:49:25, 06-06-2008 »



It was certainly a majority standing to applaud last night.  I thought it might be a local tradition (from what I've seen anyone who doesn't get a standing ovation at the Concertgebouw, for example, might want to consider following another profession) but I don't remember it from when I used to go to the Phil years ago. 

Perhaps it's just Liverpool hyperbole, so to speak? I know that's not the word, but I'm thinking of the Liverpool tendency to say "millions" when they mean "quite a lot" - a tendency to exaggerate. The only time I saw it years ago was when Britten came to a performance of the War Requiem (with Pears and Heather Harper singing). The standing ovation was directed to the composer, who was in  the staff box at the back of the hall.

A very enthusiastic review for that Beethoven/Mahler concert in the Telegraph, Mary: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/arts/main.jhtml?xml=/arts/2008/06/04/bmclassical104.xml  There wasn't any sign of Radio 3 being in attendance was there?


Thank you very much for this, George. I hadn't seen it. There were microphones at the concert, but not BBC microphones, I don't think. They may have recorded it for an RLPO own label CD
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« Reply #265 on: 11:18:56, 06-06-2008 »

I am going to look for Yevgeny Sudbin now and try to listen to him.

I just noticed he's on R3 at 1300 today, t-p - a recording from the Bath International Music Festival.  The programme is very similar to the one he played for us.  I preume it will be on Listen Again for a week afterwards.
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« Reply #266 on: 18:56:09, 06-06-2008 »

I was going to go and see a concert at the Salle Pleyel this evening - Boulez conducting Schoenberg, Berg and Mahler. On the other hand the pieces won't be my very favourites by the said composers. And on the other other hand I went to the general rehearsal today for an EIC concert tomorrow: Grisey Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil with Barbara Hannigan. I'm in no shape to listen to anything else after that. Even though it was only the general and even though even in concerts the Intercons aren't always tip-top at considering the visual aspect of their performance (and are thus inclined to make silly faces at the slightest opportunity) that was one of the most stunning things I've heard for ages. Hannigan was incredible; her voice is quite 'straight' and she doesn't overdo the emoting but that's exactly what's needed in this music I think. Anyway her accuracy in the microtones is a wonder in itself (I wish it were more of a compliment to note that in that respect she did at least as well as any of the instrumentalists and better than nearly all of them) and her voice had plenty of spin all the way up.

I'd never heard the piece before but it was an absolute kick in the guts (I mean that in a good way). What a loss Grisey's death was (further evidence for that last night with L'Icône paradoxale and the night before that with Le Noir de l'Étoile)...

The gig itself is at 21h in the Pompidou centre in case anyone's in the neighbourhood. (I'll be at the general rehearsal for something else, alas.)
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« Reply #267 on: 22:28:20, 06-06-2008 »

I've just come back from a lovely concert in Winchester Cathedral: the BSO playing English string music (+ Greig's Holberg Suite to finish with). I'd booked a seat in the second row, so had a good view, and revelled in some glorious playing. They played Elgar's Serenade for Strings (the opening of which brought huge smiles to the first violins), Holst's St Paul's Suite, Two Aquarelles by Delius and some RVW: the Five Variants of Dives and Lazarus and the Tallis Fantasia, where the 'generous' acoustic came into its own. I first heard it played by the same orchestra (under Hickox) in the same venue and it's a very special piece for me - time really stands still. It was still light when I left, so a walk home via the water meadows seemed just right.   Smiley
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« Reply #268 on: 22:35:18, 06-06-2008 »

Elgar's Serenade for Strings (the opening of which brought huge smiles to the first violins)

It's even funnier when it goes wrong, believe me, and I speak from personal experience! I played that so many times, barely a year went by when it didn't rear its head.

It was still light when I left, so a walk home via the water meadows seemed just right.

Lovely! Am envious.
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« Reply #269 on: 22:40:19, 06-06-2008 »

Lovely! Am envious.

Me too. And homesick, again.  Sad

I've got a weird soft spot for the Holberg suite, too. Wasn't that repertory rather swamped in W. Cathedral, though?
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