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Author Topic: Advance warning - John Foulds World Requiem  (Read 1373 times)
richard barrett
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« Reply #30 on: 00:07:36, 12-11-2007 »

I was relieved not to hear any of the oft-mentioned quarter-tones Foulds was apparently fond of.

They're pretty harmless as quartertones go. (Half-hearted would be my word!) If you have a chance to listen to the first couple of minutes of the CD recording of Lyra Celtica (a concerto for wordless soprano and orchestra) you'll hear the kind of thing he gets up to (though not in the Requiem I think).
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« Reply #31 on: 00:20:52, 12-11-2007 »

What was that Richard, 'pretty harmless as quartertone goes'?
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« Reply #32 on: 00:27:45, 12-11-2007 »

I was just responding to MabelJane saying she was relieved not to have heard any this evening, since Foulds' use of quartertones involves barely a ripple on the surface of his accustomed rather, well, insipid style, as opposed to other contexts I could name where they take on a less ingratiating quality... did I say something wrong?
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« Reply #33 on: 09:32:51, 12-11-2007 »

I tuned in late, but I seemed to have had a better time than most previous posters. I found the harmony interesting, not in itself (much unadorned major and minor triads) but in the sequences of unrelated chords especially those which seemed to be modulating to ever sharper keys (reminiscent of Havergal Brian's Gothic symphony). It certainly used the space well, I didn't get bored and I was thankful it didn't sound in any way Elgarian. Yes, there was that woman with the mile-wide wobble (a desperate attempt to cover up her lack of any real volume) which was a real pain. I didn't hear any quartertones, but they do exist in this piece though probably not for very long - there's a music example in Foulds' book "Music Today".
I shall be having another listen.
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« Reply #34 on: 11:10:47, 12-11-2007 »

I didn't hear any quartertones, but they do exist in this piece though probably not for very long - there's a music example in Foulds' book "Music Today".

As Bryn indicated, the notated quarter-tones were little more than prolonged string portamenti. George Harrison was much better at that sort of thing.

I did however detect frequent quarter-tones in the singing of the soprano soloist.
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« Reply #35 on: 12:14:24, 12-11-2007 »

I didn't hear any quartertones, but they do exist in this piece though probably not for very long - there's a music example in Foulds' book "Music Today".

As Bryn indicated, the notated quarter-tones were little more than prolonged string portamenti. George Harrison was much better at that sort of thing.

I did however detect frequent quarter-tones in the singing of the soprano soloist.

What "sort of thing" ?  Notated quarter-tones or prolonged string portamenti ? probably not a great deal of mileage in comparing Foulds to George Harrison.

If the soprano soloist was the lady with the wobble, I don't believe you !
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« Reply #36 on: 12:16:16, 12-11-2007 »

not a great deal of mileage in comparing Foulds to George Harrison.

They both had this kind of Indian mysticism thing happening though!
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« Reply #37 on: 12:39:00, 12-11-2007 »

It certainly used the space well, I didn't get bored and I was thankful it didn't sound in any way Elgarian.

Perhaps because you tuned in late you missed the Elgarian bits. I thought there were plenty!

Where's the Modify button gone?
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« Reply #38 on: 12:42:13, 12-11-2007 »

Why does the title of this thread contain the word 'warning'?  Huh
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« Reply #39 on: 12:53:35, 12-11-2007 »

Why does the title of this thread contain the word 'warning'?  Huh
Cheesy Yes, I remember wondering about that at one point, martle!
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« Reply #40 on: 13:13:38, 12-11-2007 »

I didn't hear any quartertones, but they do exist in this piece though probably not for very long - there's a music example in Foulds' book "Music Today".

As Bryn indicated, the notated quarter-tones were little more than prolonged string portamenti. George Harrison was much better at that sort of thing.

I did however detect frequent quarter-tones in the singing of the soprano soloist.

'ang on a bit. I only meant that the slow portamenti would have included quarter-tones within the range of frequencies they swept. Wink
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« Reply #41 on: 14:50:18, 12-11-2007 »

Why does the title of this thread contain the word 'warning'?  Huh

My fault. It probably seemed like a good idea at the time !

Mary - I tuned in c. 7.00 pm. One of the tiresome things I find about Elgar is his notion of a harmonic progression - to me this often sounds like a succession of 2-chord cadences strung together (Gerontius seriously irks me for that reason). Foulds' harmonic progressions were often deliberately aimless, circular, slightly bizarre and based on unrelated chords - which is why they interested me. The whole thing sounded VERY English . . .

Apologies if Elgar fans are horrified. In mitigation, I did recommend to a board member Falstaff and the 2nd movement of the violin concerto as representative of Elgar works which might attract those who are otherwise lukewarm to his oeuvre.

Foulds-wise, I do look forward to hearing all these things which I appear to have missed !
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« Reply #42 on: 19:07:48, 12-11-2007 »

'ang on a bit. I only meant that the slow portamenti would have included quarter-tones within the range of frequencies they swept. Wink

But that's precisely where the notated quarter-tones were.

I was joking about the quarter-tones in the singing of the soprano soloist.
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« Reply #43 on: 11:17:34, 13-11-2007 »

...Foulds' harmonic progressions were often deliberately aimless, circular, slightly bizarre and based on unrelated chords - which is why they interested me. The whole thing sounded VERY English...

Have you heard "Mirage"? There is a strange and wonderful chord progression in that (at about 3'30", approaching the end of the first section) which is absolutely riveting - and quite un-English, although I couldn't pin any other nationality on it either. I heard quite a lot of Mirage in the World Requiem. It was rather a stylistic mish-mash; and I agree both with those who share my allergy to the dreadfully wobbly soprano and those who considered it rather too long for its content. I suppose Foulds might have thought that it had to be that long to allow the 1920s audience to feel that they had had an evening's worth, or perhaps so that it would be guaranteed always to be performed on its own.

The Pasquinades Symphoniques (particularly number 1) are possibly Foulds' finest works, I think (no quarter-tones!). Number 2 appears on the excellent Barry Wordsworth Lyrita disc (SRCD 212); I had thought that the only recording of number 1, on the Forlane label, was deleted - but it is available via Amazon, where a sample can be heard:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Masters-English-Musical-Renaissance-Havergal/dp/B0000038E4/ref=sr_1_2/202-6599825-9660600?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1194953670&sr=8-2
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