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« Reply #15 on: 17:43:46, 08-11-2007 » |
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I'd agree with your point about self-consciousness: for an example of it all going wrong, listen to 'Spike', an exercise in bloated inertia more damning that anything ever put out by Yes, ELP or any of the other so-called 'dinosaur' bands that EC and his kind were supposed to have swept away. I would however agree that things go really wrong when Costello produces an 'exercise in bloated inertia' - for my money it's not Spike but the awful, awful, really dire North - every song in the same slow-to-moderate tempo, no audible distinction between the supposedly 'sad' first half of the album and 'happy' second part. The problem there isn't self-consciousness, though, it's smug contentedness (of the 'I've got Diana Krall now' variety). Happiness a good artist doth not make.
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« Reply #16 on: 17:45:43, 08-11-2007 » |
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Anyway, what EC seems to be objecting to is that "music fans" in the UK don't seem to have kept up the adulation to the extent he'd like them to. Of course this may be because those "fans", unlike their American counterparts, don't appreciate mature artists like him; it may, on the other hand, be that British "fans" might have little patience with creative stagnation and compromise. As the article points out, he did "headline" at Hillary Clinton's 60th birthday party, which invitation one might have expected the EC of My Aim is True to dispose of thoughtfully.
I liked the songs on his first few albums but I've never liked the sound of his voice much.
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« Reply #17 on: 17:52:03, 08-11-2007 » |
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Happiness a good artist doth not make.
Bit of a cliché that, isn't it? (And surely you wouldn't wish it so? Mediocrity or misery: not much of a choice for artists, that!
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« Reply #18 on: 18:02:19, 08-11-2007 » |
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God almighty [as move]token moving colored bit..red his faded LUMP >>> I MEAN, you know as well as I do it's all just part of the mechanism to FLOG his latest drizzle to somebody, innit
token moving colored bit..[/glow]ralmighty [as they say] has Elvis Costello written bloody ORCHESTRAL MU[z]ick?? egad what tosh
we must, like, NOT concern ourselves with ttoken moving [moveed [/b] [/color]
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« Reply #19 on: 18:09:27, 08-11-2007 » |
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drizzle Does the King perchance mean 'drivel'? Madame Moiselle and Mr Moiselle Went for a walk with their gazelleFresh fruit is better than Olly's py- Jamas.
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« Reply #20 on: 18:51:16, 08-11-2007 » |
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Happiness a good artist doth not make.
Yes, but I could really only cope with about one self-pitying album like "Painted From Memory"
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"I was, for several months, mutely in love with a coloratura soprano, who seemed to me to have wafted straight from Paradise to the stage of the Odessa Opera-House" - Leon Trotsky, "My Life"
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« Reply #21 on: 20:10:48, 08-11-2007 » |
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Don't worry, t-i-n. Taking EC's previous form into account, we can expect the 'collaboration' with Ms. Krall to go pear-shaped sometime around the end of this decade, providing him with enough material for 'his best album since 'Get Happy!'.
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« Reply #22 on: 22:07:30, 08-11-2007 » |
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His argument seems a hard one to justify. For better or worse, doesn’t Mr Claptrap still fill the Albert Hall several nights a year? And how many people wanted tickets for the Led Zep benefit? And the Stones fill Twickenham with fans of all ages, don’t they? Hardly signs of ingrained ageism; or have I misunderstood what Mr McManus is saying?
I love some of Costello’s stuff and some of it leaves me cold. I enjoyed his Meltdown Festival in the mid-90s – all sorts of stuff from Fretwork to Moondog. And he was around and about in the public areas far more than you’d expect for someone of his fame. I’m sure he got on the rostrum and affected to conduct the LPO in a short orchestral piece he’d written for them. It might have been based on ‘Il Sogno’ but I rather think it was just a now-forgotten concert overture. I certainly don't remember much over and above its existence. The QEH concert with the Brodsky 4tet and various rock musicians was more satisfactory. I seem to remember a wonderful performance of the Beach Boys’ ‘God Only Knows’
As for his recorded stuff I’m with time_is_now rather than Swan Knight in putting ‘Spike’ in my ‘love’ rather than ‘leaves me cold’ group. ‘Tramp the Dirt Down’ is a bit ott (the same idea as Dylan’s ‘Masters of War’ but far less elegantly done) and I wonder how many people are going to remind him of it when Maggie does pop her clogs. But if Costello never wrote anything else of value, the snapshot of a rueful creator in ‘God’s Comic’ justifies his existence:
<<So there he was on a water-bed Drinking a cola of a mystery brand Reading an airport novelette, listening to Andrew Lloyd-Webber’s “Requiem” He said, before it had really begun, “I prefer the one about my son” “I’ve been wading through all this unbelievable Junk and wondering if I should have given The world to the monkeys>>
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« Reply #23 on: 22:48:47, 08-11-2007 » |
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The problem I have with the lyric quoted by HtoHe is that it demonstrates nothing beyond the kind of facile gift for invective that we're used to encountering in hack journos from our so-called 'liberal' press. Yes, two of the usual 'free kick' targets are there: Archer and Lloyd Webber. They're easily dumped on, as no one in their right mind would say a good word about either of them. There's no vision there at all, just a rather juvenile desire to draw attention to himself and his 'I'm one of you' leftism.
The song in question has no melody, in common with just about everything on 'Spike'. That wouldn't be so much of an issue, though, if Costello had come up with the lyrical goods.
I think future generations will draw a line across Costello's work and the demarcation point will be just after 'Imperial Bedroom'. I really don't think anything from 'Punch The Clock' (which featured some great songs but woeful production) will be remembered by poserity. And, if it is, then without much affection.
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« Reply #24 on: 11:32:01, 09-11-2007 » |
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The problem I have with the lyric quoted by HtoHe is that it demonstrates nothing beyond the kind of facile gift for invective that we're used to encountering in hack journos from our so-called 'liberal' press. Yes, two of the usual 'free kick' targets are there: Archer and Lloyd Webber. They're easily dumped on, as no one in their right mind would say a good word about either of them. Well, of course they're easy targets, since I don't think the point of the song (of any song??) is to prove its singer's political credentials so much as to provide a pretext for the more interesting things a singer can do, almost all of which are specific to his medium. That doesn't mean they don't have any commonalities of meaning with other forms of discourse, but that music can't be broken down into the 'vision' or lack thereof of the lyrics, the quality of melodic invention, the woefulness or otherwise of the production, etc. etc., as if these were all separate but objectively judgeable elements. I'd have said the point of the passage alluded to by HtoHe is the way it builds to the eccentric but typically Costello-ish enunciation of the last 3 lines (with, if I recall correctly, a sharpish intake of breath before the word 'wondering', sung as usual with that inimitable half-serious half-ironic snarl). I'm not saying all of this means nothing other than itself, or can't be argued to be trying to do something and failing, but that the performance has to be allowed to be part of the point. Archer and Lloyd Webber may be easy targets, but they'd be no targets at all if the performance didn't remake them as specifically Costelloesque characters.
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« Reply #25 on: 22:39:58, 09-11-2007 » |
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nothing beyond the kind of facile gift for invective that we're used to encountering in hack journos from our so-called 'liberal' press. Yes, two of the usual 'free kick' targets are there: Archer and Lloyd Webber. They're easily dumped on, as no one in their right mind would say a good word about either of them. There's no vision there at all, just a rather juvenile desire to draw attention to himself and his 'I'm one of you' leftism.
I don’t have a problem with it, Swan Knight, because I don’t see why it should have to demonstrate anything; or be anything other than what it obviously is – a conceit wherein a creator-god is expressing disappointment with his creatures’ unimaginitive use of the materials available to them. I don’t expect fine literature in a song lyric, either; though I’d be interested to read the work of a ‘hack journo’ who could come up with anything so punchy. I think I’d have to take my hat off to them. I think some of the songs on the album that are trying to deliver something more are rather less successful. The anger of ‘Tramp the Dirt Down’ is a plus for time_is_now, but I’m afraid that, for me, it gives the lyric a morbid quality. The sentiment expressed in the title echoes Dylan’s “I'll stand o'er your grave 'Til I'm sure that you're dead” (difficult to believe ‘Masters of War’ wasn’t in Costello’s mind) but Dylan’s line occurs only once, and the song is infinitely better for that. Other angry songs on the album ‘Let Him Dangle’ and, especially, ‘Any King’s Shilling’ are less obsessive and, imo, much better. Back to ‘God’s Comic’, though, and on a couple of points of information: you seem to have put poor Archer into the song yourself; the bit I quote refers to an ‘airport novelette’ and, afaik, Lord Jeff doesn’t get a mention in any other part of the song; and, on a literal reading anyway, Lloyd-Webber doesn’t come in for a complete pasting - there seems to be a soft-spot for ‘Jesus Christ Superstar’ (rather God than me, but there it is). I don’t, in any case, see why what you call ‘easy targets’ ought to be avoided. I personally believe the song to be a well-conceived work of high quality for what it is; but what it is is still a pop song not an exercise in political analysis. It needs terms of reference that are widely understood. And it's hardly the case that "no one in their right mind would say a good word about either of them"; all the 'easy targets' are also hugely popular, otherwise the whole point of the verse would be lost. For me it’s a good pop song which makes a few simple points concisely and elegantly. I’d echo what time_is_now says: the verse builds up to the quirky (if not exactly profound) comment that a creator might well be wondering if he’d chosen the wrong species to favour. And it delivers that comment in a way that always makes me smile.
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« Reply #26 on: 20:42:19, 10-11-2007 » |
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a soft-spot for ‘Jesus Christ Superstar’ Thanks for that, HtoHe! I'd never quite managed to work out that reference to 'the one about my son' (JCS is the Lloyd Webber musical I know least, i.e. not at all apart from the title song) and I decided to believe Swan Knight that it was all about Jeffrey Archer! Thanks, also, for saying what I was trying to say in my last message, but doing so in proper English.
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« Reply #27 on: 21:15:54, 10-11-2007 » |
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Taking EC's previous form into account we can expect the 'collaboration' with Ms. Krall to go pear-shaped...
Carrying twins would probably have that effect on even the most svelte among us.
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« Reply #29 on: 22:03:28, 10-11-2007 » |
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My own feelings towards UK are certainly very mixed, and I don't anticipate ever moving back. Just when you think things can't get any worse, suddenly they get so much better.
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