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mr improv
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« Reply #15 on: 12:33:15, 28-05-2008 »

are you going kink kenny one
cos if you're there i will have to be there
you being me and all

i will be there friday

everyone there on friday will be
king kennytone
or mr improv

i am going to see veronika lens

he is on this bored somewhere

who is it tonight???

evan parker eh?
ok

no laptops

the tenor is an obscene object
it is the dildo of the music world
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King Kennytone
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« Reply #16 on: 16:43:47, 29-05-2008 »

mr improv
it is pissing down in fashionable london
I HOPE THIS FESTACLE VENUE HAS A STURDY ROOF
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oliver sudden
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« Reply #17 on: 16:49:29, 29-05-2008 »

the tenor is an obscene object
it is the dildo of the music world
You're saying that like it's a bad thing.
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mr improv
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« Reply #18 on: 17:21:24, 29-05-2008 »

the dildo has a function
the tenor saxophone has the same function
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« Reply #19 on: 17:28:56, 29-05-2008 »

Ooh, sounds like fun!
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« Reply #20 on: 18:12:50, 29-05-2008 »

I've had my playing described as gratifying before but I'm not quite sure that was what they meant...  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #21 on: 18:46:27, 29-05-2008 »

Well, it's not your fault Ollie that a clarinet's a lot smaller than a tenor sax.
 Roll Eyes
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« Reply #22 on: 19:17:30, 29-05-2008 »

  Tongue

(It's what you do with it Wink)
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« Reply #23 on: 13:05:51, 30-05-2008 »

 ok i am gonna be there tonight
then straight round to bbc broadcasting house
see if i can climb in a window
and wipe the file of all my movements off their system

Huh
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King Kennytone
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« Reply #24 on: 16:22:54, 30-05-2008 »

Wot is this feasticle anyway?
Is it jazz?
ahem

I forgot to add:
GO & HEAR BUTCHER/NAKAMURA PLAY THEIR GREATEST HITGO HEAR THE FAMOUS 'FURT' GROUP IN ACTION"only a bleedin tenner"
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« Reply #25 on: 13:40:16, 31-05-2008 »

I don't know if any of you people were there yesterday evening (or on either of the others), but I'm not sure whether some members of the audience might not have gone away wondering whether it was such a bad idea after all that the LMC lost its Arts Council funding. I really didn't see the point of the first two sets - Louisa Martin (laptop) with a few minutes of inconsequential burbles accompanied by a light shining into the audience, then John Lely rearranging a row of desk bells on a table until they turned from an ascending scale to a descending one. Then Christian Marclay's really quite offensive video of a woman doing a striptease while carrying out what used to be called lewd acts with an electric guitar (20 minutes of it apparently) - I only saw some of the last few minutes of this through the window from outside the building, and wondered why more people hadn't walked out. As for Butcher and Nakamura, I would much rather have heard either of them (and preferably JB) playing solo. In a sense it was an interesting way of stating the problem of acoustic plus electronic playing (to make musically-significant connections in that framework or on the other hand deliberately to eschew them) but for me it didn't go any further than that. Ummmm... maybe it isn't done to mouth off about the other participants in a concert I also took part in, but, well, anyone can say anything or nothing about our contribution, whatever, it's what we meant, as Vaughan Williams put it.
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« Reply #26 on: 15:20:27, 31-05-2008 »

Richard man, I too, was saddened by Marclay's PORN interlude & Baxter's inane public schoolboy MC'ing . . .
jeezus christe, what the hell has it all come to (?)

For me it was good to hear JB/Nakamura together, I mean, the venue wasn't exactly anything special, in terms of acoustics to play with, & it could be, like, construed that they WERE just goin' through their respective tricks
.. but, like, particularly with Butcher, i feel those tricks are pretty much out of the ordinary.
Dunno really if the feedback tenor stuff was 'really' up to much, but, overall, y'know . .. 50 minutes or whatever of engaging sound.

Furt was okay, wasn't it?
I found much to enjoy & a coupla things that made me kinda smirk an evil smirk


The lad with the bell piece -
in keeping I'd say with the rather forced Fluxus/Fluxist sub-theme/Baxter's po-mo subtext(e) . . .  and taken on that level, a happy memory, another smirk, a different kinda smirk, but heck

The first thing was short.

But that bleedin PORN thing ? ?
Who the hell thought that'd be a good idea.
Keith Rowe shamefully credited as a bleedin' 'guitar advisor'
You can just picture all these seedy middle aged geezers 'directing' this chick to get her kit off & wank the guitar.
VERY SAD STUFF (& weren't there also adverts for some mass-market wargame kinda trash) jeez

The LMC shoud hang it's goddam head really. I thought LMC would (certainly used to) be ACTIVELY AGAINST THIS KINDA EXPLOITATIVE CAPITALIST SHITE

PORN = CAPITALISM

As for the goddam price of beer, the bloody bouncers, the anal retentive/control freak management

Some good music compromised, there, I reckon.
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« Reply #27 on: 16:29:19, 31-05-2008 »

I thought LMC would (certainly used to) be ACTIVELY AGAINST THIS KINDA EXPLOITATIVE CAPITALIST SHITE

PORN = CAPITALISM

As for the goddam price of beer, the bloody bouncers, the anal retentive/control freak management

Yes, it's a sad way to go out really. When I first had anything to do with the LMC in the mid-80s it was a ramshackle organisation operating out of disused railway premises in Camden with the philosophy of a collective. Displays of exploitative trash like that Marclay video would have been out of the question (I also noticed Keith Rowe's name in the credits - he seems to have made the transition to dirty old man with hardly anyone noticing), let alone the price of beer etc. Now of course the Arts Council "justified" their funding cut to LMC on completely different and spurious grounds, which is why I thought it was worth opposing as far as possible, but now that the dust has more or less settled I hope whoever has influence in this "collective" is having a good hard think about whether the organisation in its current form is really worth continuing with anyway.
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« Reply #28 on: 23:12:09, 01-06-2008 »

I thought LMC would (certainly used to) be ACTIVELY AGAINST THIS KINDA EXPLOITATIVE CAPITALIST SHITE
PORN = CAPITALISM
Displays of exploitative trash like that Marclay video would have been out of the question (I also noticed Keith Rowe's name in the credits - he seems to have made the transition to dirty old man with hardly anyone noticing), let alone the price
Quote from: Telegraph rag via google
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Christian Marclay: Playing with rock and roll

Artist Christian Marclay is inspired by popular-culture clichés. [ blah ], a fundraiser for the gallery's education programme.

   
Tree Carr and a Fender Stratocaster in Marclay's Solo
"It's good to get away from the editing suite," he says. "It's very unhealthy to be sitting in front of the screen for too long."
Two weeks ago, he filmed the actress Tree Carr playing a Fender Stratocaster electric guitar that will be signed by Marclay and auctioned at the Art Plus party. On the day I meet him, he is beginning to cut five hours of footage. The finished video will be only about 15 minutes.

"You start with an idea but then so many things can happen," he says.

"The process of editing is what I enjoy most - putting the pieces together and making sense out of them. During the shoot there was a lot of improvisation. Tree might do a great movement or something interesting that was unexpected. Now that I'm editing I have to be open to what happens. It's always evolving."

He stops to collect his thoughts. "I'm looking at the guitar as an anthropomorphic instrument," he continues.

"It's a phallic symbol but it also has a feminine body…and rock stars use it. When Elvis started performing, people were shocked by the way he suggestively used his hips. Guitars have since been used in a lot more explicit ways."

While he does not want to say how the finished piece will look, a vision of the girls with guitars from the video for Robert Palmer's Addicted to Love springs to mind.

'Tree interacts with the guitar in a very sexual way," he says.

"It's an idea I've had for some time but I don't think I could have done before. It would not have been politically correct, as a male artist, to deal with the strong sexual nature of an actress. But today it doesn't seem to be an issue. It's very interesting how culturally at certain times you can do things that at other times you can't. If you think back to when Duchamp painted his nude descending a staircase, and it was a scandal, you wonder why."

In the early Nineties, Marclay produced his Body Mixes series, which looked at how sex was used to sell pop music. Using images from record covers, he created collages of hybrid bodies, such as Michael Jackson "mixed" with the legs of a woman in knickers from a Sidney Barnes sleeve.

"I remember being attacked by some feminist women who gave me a hard time about it," he recalls.

"But I was just using what was there and reacting to culture and my environment. If you watch MTV it's all about sex. It's how they can keep people watching. You can't be a successful pop star without being overtly sexual on screen."

Throughout his career Marclay has developed a formidable set of improvisational skills that challenge the way we consider popular culture. He is an audio-visual maestro, exposing clichés, never failing to thrill or surprise. For Solo, he gave Carr little directorial advice, but wanted it to look like the first time she was touching a guitar.

He likes the fact that he doesn't know what's going to come out.

"Anything can happen," he says. "She's got the whole history of rock and roll to work with."

Solo has its première at TOD's Art Plus Film Party, Whitechapel Art Gallery, London E1 (020 7522 7888), on Thurs. Tickets are £125 each. Info: www.shitechapel/artxxxx


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"It's very interesting how culturally at certain times you can do things that at other times you can't".


 
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« Reply #29 on: 12:00:05, 02-06-2008 »

Quote from: Telegraph rag via google
It's an idea I've had for some time but I don't think I could have done before. It would not have been politically correct, as a male artist, to deal with the strong sexual nature of an actress. But today it doesn't seem to be an issue. It's very interesting how culturally at certain times you can do things that at other times you can't ... I was just using what was there and reacting to culture and my environment. If you watch MTV it's all about sex. It's how they can keep people watching. You can't be a successful pop star without being overtly sexual on screen.

That's exactly the kind of lame-ass pseudo-justification I would imagine he'd use, although I find it interesting that he coyly doesn't want to talk in the interview about what the film actually looks like, presumably for fear that readers would get the "wrong idea", ie. the right idea.
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