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Author Topic: Great children's books  (Read 2097 times)
Don Basilio
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« Reply #30 on: 11:11:26, 28-04-2008 »

Geoffrey Willan's How to Be Topp with Ronald Searle illustrations.

This is one of the Molesworth books, and at the time I was attending as a day boy a seedy version of St Custard's.  It helped me cope better with that hell on earth, but gave me the impression that it was a perfectly normal way of life.

It was the mention of Latin that jogged my memory.

Another literary work frequently cited on this board.  About ten years ago issued as a Penguin Modern Classic with an enthusiastic intro by arch-pseud Philip Hensher.
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« Reply #31 on: 11:26:03, 28-04-2008 »

One author who doesn't appear to have been mentioned yet is Ronald Searle - although I suspect that full appreciation of Molesworth only comes with adulthood, when one realises that there were aspects of prep school life that he lampoons with deadly accuracy (the books were in effect banned in my prep school - anyone caught with one would have it confiscated and would be in quite serious trouble.  The irony of headmaster Grimes' outraged rant at Molesworth's claim to have read Proust ("a very grate Fr. writer") during the school holiday - "I see I am going to have to teach you culture the hard way. Report for the cane after prayers" - was no doubt lost on us, but the diagrams of grips and tortures for Masters certainly wasn't)

On a much happier note I've recently discovered that my old secondary school English teacher, Ian Whybrow, has now become quite a well-known children's author:



Edit:  I see Don B has just invoked the shade of Molseworth.
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« Reply #32 on: 11:31:37, 28-04-2008 »

And Latin has jogged my memory about 1066 And All That, where I first learned that Julius Ceasar called the Britons "weeny, weedy, and weaky"  Cheesy

I think it's also the reason why I refer to the Venomous Bead every time I vist Jarrow... or did I get that from somewhere else?  Roll Eyes  I probably ought to try and get hold of the book again.

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« Reply #33 on: 11:38:46, 28-04-2008 »

For those of us who went through a different kind of school altogether, the Molesworth books were a bit like anthropological surveys of some completely alien civilisation.

By the time I was old enough for Tolkien I'd become interested in SF of the "hard" variety and I've never much liked anything to do with elves and hobbits and suchlike. (At school I was a science swot who listened to weird music.)
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« Reply #34 on: 11:40:24, 28-04-2008 »

This has jogged my memory - there were Searle illustrations to a James Thurber story, which Google now tells me was called The Thirteen Clocks and the Wonderful O.  The only thing I can remember apart from Serle's wonderful mock Gothic pikkies, was the hero describing himself as "a wandering minstrel, a thing of shreds and patches."  That was when I first had the smug pleasure of recognising a literary citation (in this case to The Mikado.)


1066 and All That
- I always think the summary of the Civil War can't be bettered: The Roundheads were right but repulsive.  The Cavaliers were Wrong but Wromantic.


Richard - I was old enough for Tolkein at 8!!
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« Reply #35 on: 12:01:54, 28-04-2008 »

I had weird reading tastes amongst children's books - I read the Charlie Brown ones, loved those, and at various points liked Just William, Billie Bunter, and Jennings and Derbyshire - but actually I preferred some of the girls' books, even the Mallory Towers and St Claire's ones - maybe all that catty stuff in amongst the heated all-female atmosphere, let alone the punishment references, provided the appeal when I was 9-10? Wink
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« Reply #36 on: 12:14:11, 28-04-2008 »

actually I preferred some of the girls' books, even the Mallory Towers and St Claire's ones - maybe all that catty stuff in amongst the heated all-female atmosphere, let alone the punishment references, provided the appeal when I was 9-10? Wink

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« Reply #37 on: 12:18:58, 28-04-2008 »

I always much preferred the characters you were meant to disapprove of - remember Alicia (FAR more interesting than holier-than-thou, Joan-Bakewell-in-the-making Darrell) and even Gwendoline Mary. At least they had some passions.

All reminds me of the experience later in life of watching the wonderful Powell/Pressburger film Black Narcissus (and, for denizens of M & S, that wasn't just because it featured nuns).
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« Reply #38 on: 12:20:08, 28-04-2008 »



Funniest children's book ever.
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« Reply #39 on: 12:27:20, 28-04-2008 »

Molesworth, yes! My brother, poor boy, was at a school just like St Custard's. I was always on the side of Fotherington-Thomas - and then there was Molesworth 2's piano piece " Fairy Bells", which "nothing hav ever been known to stop". (Something like that, anyway.) The exam papers were good, too.

1066 and All That taught me all the history I know.

I didn't enjoy Tolkien, and stiil don't. I would never have dared say I didn't like him, because, as I have said before, my English teacher (or mistress, as we said then), whom I idolised, had been taught by Tolkien and had a bad case of hero worship.
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« Reply #40 on: 13:18:14, 28-04-2008 »

I think it's also the reason why I refer to the Venomous Bead every time I visit Jarrow ...

" ... (author of The Rosary) ... " Cheesy

Like Mary, most of my knowledge of English history derives from 1066 and All That. All other reading since then has merely filled in and fleshed out some of the detail. Sellar and Yeatman even anticipated and rendered unnecessary Francis Fukayama by seventy years:

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« Reply #41 on: 13:30:00, 28-04-2008 »

Roald Dahl was before my time, as it were, but I love the Edwardian equivalent, Hilaire Belloc's Cautionary Tales.  I never knew them as a child, and I doubt whether I would have appreciated it then.  As it is I can quote it by the yard, like the Tale of Sarah Byng

...she could not read or write a line.
Her sister, Jane, though barely nine
Could spout the Cathechism through
And parts of Matthew Arnold too.
While little Bill, who came between,
Was quite unnaturally keen
On Athalie by Jean Racine.
But not so Sarah, not so Sal.
She was a most uncultured gal.
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« Reply #42 on: 15:22:31, 28-04-2008 »

I always adored poetry, and am forever grateful to my parents for providing me with poetry books. Among them was one that had belonged to my mother, The Golden Staircase (1906), an anthology of verse for children, chosen by Louey Chisholm. It had the whole of The Pied Piper, and everything from Victorian slop to Shakespeare, but was generally of an Improving Nature. Unforgettable were the Heinrich Hoffman cautionary tales , which I suppose were translations from Struwwelpeter. There was The Story of Little Suck-a-Thumb, The Story of Augustus who Would Not have any Soup, and most impressive to me, since my best friend was called Harriet, The Dreadful Story of Harriet and the Matches. The penultimate verse is:

So she was burnt, with all her clothes,
And arms, and hands, and eyes, and nose:
Till she had nothing more to lose
Except her little scarlet shoes;
And nothing else but these were found
Among her ashes on the ground.


Scary stuff, which I have never forgotten.

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« Reply #43 on: 15:27:45, 28-04-2008 »

Roald Dahl was before my time, as it were, but I love the Edwardian equivalent, Hilaire Belloc's Cautionary Tales.  I never knew them as a child, and I doubt whether I would have appreciated it then. 

I knew these by the age of about 12, and I loved them.

The chief defect of Henry King
Was chewing little bits of string;
At last he swallowed some which tied
Itself in ugly knots inside



They weren't quite as realistic as Heinrich Hoffman.
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« Reply #44 on: 15:48:32, 28-04-2008 »

...O my friends be warned by me
That breakfast, dinner, lunch and tea
Are all the human frame requires.
With that the wretched child expires.


I find it hilarious now (particularly the And tea bit) but I'm not sure I would have enjoyed it as a child.

When 5 I was fascinated by Treasure Island, although it must have been read to or precised for me.  When I came to read it as an adult, it is really rather depressing.
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