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Author Topic: Poetry Appreciation Thread.  (Read 19823 times)
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« Reply #285 on: 18:08:49, 10-12-2007 »

The Early Purges

I was six when I first saw kittens drown.
Dan Taggart pitched them, 'the scraggy wee shits',
Into a bucket; a frail metal sound,

Soft paws scraping like mad. But their tiny din
Was soon soused. They were slung on the snout
Of the pump and the water pumped in.

'Sure, isn't it better for them now?' Dan said.
Like wet gloves they bobbed and shone till he sluiced
Them out on the dunghill, glossy and dead.

Suddenly frightened, for days I sadly hung
Round the yard, watching the three sogged remains
Turn mealy and crisp as old summer dung

Until I forgot them. But the fear came back
When Dan trapped big rats, snared rabbits, shot crows
Or, with a sickening tug, pulled old hens' necks.

Still, living displaces false sentiments
And now, when shrill pups are prodded to drown
I just shrug, 'Bloody pups'. It makes sense:

'Prevention of cruelty' talk cuts ice in town
Where they consider death unnatural
But on well-run farms pests have to be kept down.


                                             - Seamus Heaney
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« Reply #286 on: 10:28:52, 13-12-2007 »

It's St Lucy's day, which John Donne appeared to think is the shortest day (I don't think it is). His Nocturnal upon St Lucy's Day is a wonderful poem, though. I love the line "The world's whole sap is sunk". Oddly enough, it doesn't feel like that at the moment, with bright sun and blue sky.

http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/donne/nocturnal.htm
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« Reply #287 on: 12:47:33, 13-12-2007 »

Does anybody know happy poem in German?
I am trying to activate my German and reading poems is a good way to do it.
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« Reply #288 on: 19:45:20, 14-12-2007 »

It's St Lucy's day, which John Donne appeared to think is the shortest day (I don't think it is). His Nocturnal upon St Lucy's Day is a wonderful poem, though. I love the line "The world's whole sap is sunk". Oddly enough, it doesn't feel like that at the moment, with bright sun and blue sky.

http://www.luminarium.org/sevenlit/donne/nocturnal.htm
I missed your post yesterday, Mary, and I didn't even realise it had been St Lucy's Day (or St Lucie's Day, as Donne might have spelt it). One of my favourite poems!

I also very much love this one, also by John Donne, although I think I may have posted it before:


The Anniversary

      All kings, and all their favourites,
      All glory of honours, beauties, wits,
The sun it self, which makes time, as they pass,
Is elder by a year now than it was
When thou and I first one another saw.
All other things to their destruction draw,
      Only our love hath no decay;
This no to-morrow hath, nor yesterday;
Running it never runs from us away,
But truly keeps his first, last, everlasting day.

      Two graves must hide thine and my corse;
      If one might, death were no divorce.
Alas! as well as other princes, we
—Who prince enough in one another be—
Must leave at last in death these eyes and ears,
Oft fed with true oaths, and with sweet salt tears;
      But souls where nothing dwells but love
—All other thoughts being inmates—then shall prove
This or a love increasèd there above,
When bodies to their graves, souls from their graves remove.

      And then we shall be throughly blest;
      But now no more than all the rest.
Here upon earth we're kings, and none but we
Can be such kings, nor of such subjects be.
Who is so safe as we? where none can do
Treason to us, except one of us two.
      True and false fears let us refrain,
Let us love nobly, and live, and add again
Years and years unto years, till we attain
To write threescore; this is the second of our reign.
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« Reply #289 on: 11:47:43, 15-12-2007 »

I think I first learnt it - at school - as A Nocturnall upon St. Lucie's Day. The spelling does add a certain something. I love much of Donne.

We're not doing too well with happy German poems for t.p, are we? Someone must know some! It's the "happy" bit that's the problem.....
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« Reply #290 on: 11:53:26, 15-12-2007 »

Here's one from Heine.

Doch die Kastraten klagten,
Als ich meine Stimm' erhob;
Sie klagten und sie sagten:
Ich sänge viel zu grob.
Und lieblich erhoben sie alle
Die kleinen Stimmelein,
Die Trillerchen, wie Kristalle,
Sie klangen so fein und rein.

Sie sangen von Liebessehnen,
Von Liebe und Liebeserguß;
Die Damen schwammen in Tränen
Bei solchem Kunstgenuß.

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« Reply #291 on: 17:31:51, 15-12-2007 »

Thank you Richard Barrett for poem by Heine. I don't think it is a happy poem. My mother married a German man and I want to be able to communicate with him.
Thank you for the poem and Merry Christmas. I wish you health and success and I hope to come to your concert one day.
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« Reply #292 on: 16:33:09, 16-12-2007 »

It's St Lucy's day, which John Donne appeared to think is the shortest day (I don't think it is).

Yes, but in his day England was still on the Julian calendar which was some ten days out of sync with the solar year, so 13 December probably would be the shortest day.

By the time Great Britain adopted the Gregorian calendar in the 1750s, it was 11 days out.

And Friday was St John of the Cross's Day.
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« Reply #293 on: 17:05:19, 16-12-2007 »

It's St Lucy's day, which John Donne appeared to think is the shortest day (I don't think it is).

Yes, but in his day England was still on the Julian calendar which was some ten days out of sync with the solar year, so 13 December probably would be the shortest day.

By the time Great Britain adopted the Gregorian calendar in the 1750s, it was 11 days out.



Ah, that would explain it. Thanks. I expect someone told me that when I was in the 6th Form.
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« Reply #294 on: 16:53:00, 17-12-2007 »

It's St Lucy's day, which John Donne appeared to think is the shortest day (I don't think it is).

Yes, but in his day England was still on the Julian calendar which was some ten days out of sync with the solar year, so 13 December probably would be the shortest day.
Ah, DonB to the rescue as ever. Wink

I decided this must be the case over the weekend. Good to have it confirmed.
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« Reply #295 on: 07:17:54, 19-12-2007 »

I think I've spent an hour reading through these poems and all the interesting discussion. This thread was a great idea.

The two Seamus Heaney poems above are good choices. I think one of my favourites is one of his more recent ones from District and Circle Annoyingly I don't have the book so can't look up the exact title. I also particularly like "Casualty" http://www.ibiblio.org/ipa/poems/heaney/casualty.php. The poem that introduced me to his work was "Mid-Term Break"

I'm undecided about Robert Pinsky, although "Impossible to Tell" is a favouritehttp://www.ibiblio.org/ipa/poems/pinsky/impossible_to_tell.php Is anyone here a fan of his?

Who else.....?I'm trying to set a four-poet limit for myself. Sylvia Plath has been mentioned. http://www.angelfire.com/tn/plath/letterinnov.html

This poem makes me smile http://www.poemhunter.com/poem/another-reason-why-i-don-t-keep-a-gun-in-the-hou/
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« Reply #296 on: 16:31:31, 19-12-2007 »

It made me smile, too. Thanks, Catherine. And I'm glad you've enjoyed the thread!

This one probably isn't designed to make anyone smile, but I love it very much:


Ovid in the Third Reich by Geoffrey Hill

    non peccat, quaecumque potest peccasse negare,
    solaque famosam culpa professa facit.

        —(Amores, III, xiv)

I love my work and my children. God
Is distant, difficult. Things happen.
Too near the ancient troughs of blood
Innocence is no earthly weapon.

I have learned one thing: not to look down
So much on the damned. They, in their sphere,
Harmonize strangely with the divine
Love. I, in mine, celebrate the love-choir.
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« Reply #297 on: 12:37:50, 23-12-2007 »

The name of Ferdinand Kriwet having somehow surfaced in the "aleatory" thread we thought some Members might be interested in seeing an example of his concrete poetry. We think he did not ever take it very much further than this example, with which we fell in love at first sight:

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« Reply #298 on: 18:13:57, 31-12-2007 »

The Kriwet is quite, quite beautiful, Mr Grew. Thank you for that!

I wanted to end the year with (surprise surprise) another Thom Gunn poem:

          In Trust

      You go from me
    In June for months on end
  To study equanimity
    Among high trees alone;
  I go out with a new boyfriend
And stay all summer in the city where
    Home mostly on my own
    I watch the sunflowers flare.

      You travel East
    To help your relatives.
  The rainy season's start, at least,
    Brings you from banishment:
  And from the hall a doorway gives
A glimpse of you, writing I don't know what,
    Through winter, with head bent
    In the lamp's yellow spot.

      To some fresh task
    Some improvising skill
  Your face is turned, of which I ask
    Nothing except the presence:
  Beneath white hair your clear eyes still
Are candid as the cat's fixed narrowing gaze
    - Its pale-blue incandescence
    In your room nowadays.

      Sociable cat:
    Without much noise or fuss
  We left the kitchen where he sat,
    And suddenly we find
  He happens still to be with us,
In this room now, though firmly faced away,
    Not to be left behind,
    Though all the night he'll stray.

      As you began
    You'll end the year with me.
  We'll hug each other while we can,
    Work or stray while we must.
  Nothing is, or ever will be,
Mine, I suppose. No one can hold a heart,
    But what we hold in trust
    We do hold, even apart.
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« Reply #299 on: 22:47:57, 31-12-2007 »

This is a beautiful poem, t-i-n.
Thank you very much for posting. I love this. For some reason it is in tune with my mood at this time.

Happy New Year.
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