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Author Topic: Bach's D# Minor Fugue (WTC Book 2)  (Read 533 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 18:54:02, 31-05-2008 »

The Countersubject is structurally no less important than the Subject (even though it falls to the Subject to announce its presence first)
It's not just the subject's duty to announce its own presence, but it's duty to announce the presence of a whole melodic line.   If one wishes to emphasise all the melodies, one surely first needs to emphasise presence of different melodic lines as and when they come in?
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« Reply #16 on: 19:04:02, 31-05-2008 »

The Countersubject is structurally no less important than the Subject (even though it falls to the Subject to announce its presence first)
It's not just the subject's duty to announce its own presence, but it's duty to announce the presence of a whole melodic line.   If one wishes to emphasise all the melodies, one surely first needs to emphasise presence of different melodic lines as and when they come in?

I don't think anything needs 'emphasising'. If all the melodies are simply played as melodies whenever they occur the fugue should hang together perfectly as a contrapuntal composition. It is no way to announce the arrival of a Countersubject by deliberately burying it (dynamically) underneath the Subject (which we have already heard anyway).

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« Reply #17 on: 19:11:56, 31-05-2008 »

The Countersubject is structurally no less important than the Subject (even though it falls to the Subject to announce its presence first)
It's not just the subject's duty to announce its own presence, but it's duty to announce the presence of a whole melodic line.   If one wishes to emphasise all the melodies, one surely first needs to emphasise presence of different melodic lines as and when they come in?

I don't think anything needs 'emphasising'.
I would personally think that would depend on the fugue. Wink  It might be added to what you have said in your previous post that the very simplicity of a subject means that it can be recognised quite easily however dense the texture might get and not drown out anything.  That said, I have in my time rather enjoyed pounding out the subject to the a-minor fugue in book 2  Roll Eyes 

One thing that I often find listening to a fugue is that I don't bother to distinguish the subject from the countersubject in my head: one is simply a continuation of the other, and both together form what I would think of as being the 'melody' of the fugue (sometimes when the character of the two is very different this becomes rather difficult though).  Once stretti start featuring, is the distinction really, at an aural level, that crucial at all?
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« Reply #18 on: 19:37:57, 31-05-2008 »

...One thing that I often find listening to a fugue is that I don't bother to distinguish the subject from the countersubject in my head: one is simply a continuation of the other, and both together form what I would think of as being the 'melody' of the fugue (sometimes when the character of the two is very different this becomes rather difficult though).  Once stretti start featuring, is the distinction really, at an aural level, that crucial at all?

I agree with all this - the only reason why a distinction would ever be necessary is in the case of those who (for whatever reason) feel the need to separate out the themes in order to provide prominence or emphasis to any of them during the performance. But this is what I am arguing against. Other than that, it is only the analysts who have any need to separate out the various melodic components as a means of explaining analytically their genesis and development.

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« Reply #19 on: 21:23:12, 01-06-2008 »

Just had a bash through the fugue from BWV 877 - and while the 'forest' of sharps, naturals, and double-sharps is indeed something of a headache, I know a handful of fugues that are much more forbidding to my fingers:

the a minor from book 1, BWV 865
the b-flat minor from book 2, BWV 891
the E major from book 1, BWV 854
even the g minor from book 1, bwv 861, presents some nasty troubles

In contrast, BWV 877 (topic of this thread) is really more of a trouble for the eye-mind connection than for the finger-mind connection.
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