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« Reply #15 on: 21:40:46, 11-08-2007 » |
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« Reply #16 on: 22:15:38, 11-08-2007 » |
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>>Left-handedness wrt to playing violin,<<
Ooops, what I meant was "Left-handedness wrt playing violin,"
or are you asking what wrt is MJ?
with respect/regard to - I also think of it as being "with reference to" tho can't find that when I google (edit: found it now!)
btw(!) my left hand typed all of "wrt"
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MabelJane
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« Reply #17 on: 22:43:58, 11-08-2007 » |
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>>Left-handedness wrt to playing violin,<<
Ooops, what I meant was "Left-handedness wrt playing violin,"
or are you asking what wrt is MJ? Yes I was! So not a typo then!  with respect/regard to - I also think of it as being "with reference to" tho can't find that when I google (edit: found it now!) Never come across that before. Despite spending far too long online posting to messageboards!  btw(!) my left hand typed all of "wrt"
But my query was meant to be a joke... Why isn't there an amused embarassed smiley? That's what I need here!  |
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« Reply #18 on: 22:52:38, 11-08-2007 » |
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Wikipedia says
WRT - "With respect to", especially in fields such as Mathematics.
Probably explains why I know it, being a mathematician
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« Reply #19 on: 22:58:18, 11-08-2007 » |
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Wikipedia says
WRT - "With respect to", especially in fields such as Mathematics.
Probably explains why I know it, being a mathematician
Here, have a full stop: .Used especially in fields such as teaching. Probably explains why I know it, being a teacher. |
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« Reply #20 on: 23:06:43, 11-08-2007 » |
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« Reply #21 on: 23:15:43, 11-08-2007 » |
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The left hand might seem to have the harder job when playing the violin - it needs to learn great speed, dexterity ( ) and accuracy while remaining relaxed - but the right hand has the much more subtle and difficult job. It's what creates the sound, after all. |
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« Reply #22 on: 23:40:30, 11-08-2007 » |
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The left hand might seem to have the harder job when playing the violin - it needs to learn great speed, dexterity ( ) and accuracy while remaining relaxed - but the right hand has the much more subtle and difficult job. It's what creates the sound, after all. Hmm..never thought of it like that. But a beginner, would surely find the fingering more difficult. I was never very good so even after 10 years I still found accurate left hand fingering far harder than right hand bowing. And I don't think that's because I'm right-handed - I just needed to practise lot more! |
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« Reply #23 on: 23:57:03, 11-08-2007 » |
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Well... the left hand isn't exactly easy! But there are ways of helping it along. I remember I had tiny colourful stickers on my fingerboard when I started out. I also remember vibrato felt very awkward when I first tried it. But maybe what the left hand does is just a little more mechanical than what the right hand does. The bow has been compared to a singer's breath, and has to draw out a vast range of tones, dynamics, articulations - not to mention double-stops and chordal playing...
Oh dear, that feeling of needing to practise a lot more never goes away!
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« Reply #24 on: 00:06:48, 12-08-2007 » |
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Oh dear, that feeling of needing to practise a lot more never goes away!
Happy practising, welcome to r3ok strinasacchi, and Goodnight! MJ  |
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« Reply #25 on: 00:07:36, 12-08-2007 » |
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strinasacchi - I hope I'm not speaking out of turn but you've actually put into words precisely why I'm a big fan of non-vibrato playing in the orchestral strings! I think it was Joachim who said that continuous vibrato wasn't expression but a substitute for it. (If it wasn't him then I'm happy to take the credit.  ) |
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« Reply #26 on: 00:25:59, 12-08-2007 » |
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No, not speaking out of turn at all! I think right-hand technique is relatively neglected these days. Everyone learns the flashy techniques - up-and-downbow spiccato, flying spiccato, playing at great speed, crunching out loud chords over 3-4 strings simultaneously etc. But expression through the bow is often not thought through very carefully, except perhaps among the early music crowd. That Joachim "quote" sounds good to me! Certainly violinists used to appreciate the importance of varying their vibrato, in both amplitude and speed - as well as the effect of stopping it altogether. Of course some still do, and again the early music crowd has to be given credit for re-awakening audiences - and players! - to the possibility of non-vibrato playing. Hmm, my first day on this messageboard and I'm up late pontificating. Not a good start.  |
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« Reply #27 on: 00:30:37, 12-08-2007 » |
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Do you know the Norrington Mahler recordings from Stuttgart perhaps? (Sorry, one of my hobby-horses.) I've seldom had my jaw drop so far as when I first heard the Adagietto from the 5th or the Ruhevoll from the 4th with not a trace of wobble and all the phrasing in the right hand. Magic. And the way harmonics blend with the rest of the line when there's no vibrato is a thing of wonder.
Sorry, off topic. Left-handed conductors? OK, Franck Ollu. Any others spring to mind? (Actually he was a horn player first up - wonder how that would have been with the whole handedness thing? I'm a clarinet player myself and I can't imagine that for us handedness makes the slightest bit of difference except perhaps which trills we don't like doing...)
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« Reply #28 on: 00:34:54, 12-08-2007 » |
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Have you heard the few recordings there are of Joachim?
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #29 on: 08:00:11, 12-08-2007 » |
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Sorry, off topic. Left-handed conductors? OK, Franck Ollu. Any others spring to mind? (Actually he was a horn player first up - wonder how that would have been with the whole handedness thing? I'm a clarinet player myself and I can't imagine that for us handedness makes the slightest bit of difference except perhaps which trills we don't like doing...)
Paavo Berglund was (is?) left-handed. As a former horn-player, I don't think my left-handedness was ever an issue - and may have been an advantage since the business with the valves was done with the left hand, the right simply being inserted in the bell. |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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