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Ian Pace
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« Reply #15 on: 16:17:13, 16-03-2007 »

I gave a link to the wrong Curtis series! I meant this one - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Century_Of_The_Self . The Power of Nightmares is also well worth watching, though.
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'These acts of keeping politics out of music, however, do not prevent musicology from being a political act . . .they assure that every apolitical act assumes a greater political immediacy' - Philip Bohlman, 'Musicology as a Political Act'
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« Reply #16 on: 16:29:40, 16-03-2007 »

I posted link on waffle where you can see the programme about it.
I think in America people feel more volnarable to vagaries of market and insecurities. Now good jobs are going to less developed countries. There is no government medical insurance (NHI). I found life there is traumatic and many people feel like that.
Religious people use this volnarability.
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« Reply #17 on: 16:55:55, 16-03-2007 »

I wish I could remember the title - there is an SF story about a future culture in which sport is encouraged, and "intellectual pursuits" are discouraged by the government, so that the population remains more easily managed.

I guess there might well be more than one, as it's a fairly well-established dystopian nightmare ;-)   One which very strongly meets your requirements is Yevgeny Zamyatin's "We" (1921).  In a large part it was Zamyatin's personal protests against the Russian Revolution.  His novel projects a society in which people no longer have names but numbers (this idea was widely filched later by other authors!), and anyone who has doubts about the wisdom with which the "One Society" operates is encouraged to enlist at the hospital to have their brain simplified.

Another which fits your prototype is the Third Reich in Germany, of course - particularly as filmed by Leni Riefenstahl, based on an original idea by Adolf Hitler.
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« Reply #18 on: 17:11:08, 16-03-2007 »

I'm also reminded of Georges Perec's "W", one strand of which consists of a sequence of chapters (alternating with autobiographical ones) supposedly describing a teenage boy's fantasy of an island organised around sport, whose rules, gradually described in more and more obsessive detail, eventually reveal themselves to be indistinguishable from conditions in the concentration camps.

I have a lot of admiration for Zamyatin's "We". Would I be right in remembering that the piece of piano music played by the character E-330 at a certain point in the narrative is supposed to have been (in Zamyatin's imagination but not specified in the book) Scriabin's Ninth Sonata?
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« Reply #19 on: 17:23:29, 16-03-2007 »

I did not know that Zamyatin knew music so well. I googled and found out that he thought music as more mathematical of arts is protected against amaturisms that literature and theater more volnarable. This is contravertial statement, but the knowledge of different composers is impressive. He seems to like Scriabin very much (he does say good things about Schostakovich).
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« Reply #20 on: 17:26:14, 16-03-2007 »

Georges Perec's "W"
You've read that book, Richard? It's funny, I've never thought of Perec in relation to you but I can certainly see what would interest you in W, or the Memory of Childhood.

The autobiographical strand, for those who don't know, refers to the fate of Perec's parents in the Holocaust. Are you familiar with Harry Mathews' suggestion (which I always found oddly implausible) that since 'eux' and the name of the letter 'e' are homophonic in French, the disappearance of that letter from Perec's later novel La Disparition* might allude to the disappearance of 'eux' (them)?

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*Translated into English by Gilbert Adair as A Void. The shorter, complementary work, Les Revenentes, in which the only vowel is 'e', has been translated (by Ian somebody whose surname escapes me) as The Exeter Text: Jewels, Secrets, Sex, but I haven't read that, the translation or the original.
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« Reply #21 on: 17:32:34, 16-03-2007 »

I'd never thought of investigating that, Richard!  I wonder where the idea came from - maybe Zamyatin said something about it in an interview etc?   He wasn't much interviewed in the USSR, which he finally left in the early 30's - perhaps a later remark made in Paris?  I think he became quite a bitter man, and never again enjoyed the success he'd had in "We" - whilst having to watch more feeble talents like "Ayn Rand" (aka Alisa Rosenbaum - she aimed to conceal her jewish background, given the company she kept..) cherry-pick his ideas and rehash them (most notably in "Anthem", her least-successful work... but by then the John Birch Society was underwriting the publication costs anyhow).

Much of the plotline of "We" was reworked into Terry Gilliam's "Brazil" - most notably the final scene, although it draws on a wide range of other dystopian-nightmare material too (not least Jerome K Jerome's very early short story "New Utopia", which had appeared in the last decade of the preceding century - entirely unlike "Three Men In a Boat" in every way Wink

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« Reply #22 on: 18:57:21, 16-03-2007 »

Georges Perec's "W"
You've read that book, Richard? It's funny, I've never thought of Perec in relation to you but I can certainly see what would interest you in W, or the Memory of Childhood.

Not just read it, but a short passage is quoted at the beginning of the score of Tract.

Amazing book.
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