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Author Topic: Shouldn't Wotan have taken his spear to the waldvogel?  (Read 804 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 15:44:18, 02-05-2007 »

Anyone who remembers the hoary old ROH Wagner production in which a stuffed bird slid along a wire hung 3m above the stage - stuttering and jamming along the way - will remember why they tell you never to work with children or animals (even stuffed ones).  In any case, Production will have come along by this time to tell you that you have already used 90% of your entire Ring budget on the special effect by which Alberich turns into a toad,  and you now have fourpence to dress and decorate the remaining three parts of the Tetralogy...  woodpeckers are out.  You can have Penguin costume from the animals in The Magic Flute, or you can have Papagena,  but let them know before the tea-break because the soprano's a heck of a size and it will need letting-out....

I do remember the WNO Parsifal in which, to mark the shooting of the swan, what looked like a rubber chicken was dropped unceremoniously from the flies, landing on-stage with a loud plop, to the ill-disguised amusement of quite a lot of the chorus ...

And while on the subject of WNO, I once managed to see their Siegfried and Magic Flute within a few days of one another - the dragon that chased Tamino on stage was quite clearly the same one that had served as Fafner the previous week.
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« Reply #16 on: 15:45:46, 02-05-2007 »


Aren't doves just white pigeons?

Doves are not necessarily white.  As I remember from from the Observers Book of Birds which I won as a prize at school for Natural History (the only thing remotely like science that I have ever managed to understand,) pigeons are part of the dove family.

Ie all pigeons are doves.  Not all doves are pigeons.

Is it just fantasy on my part, but was the Woodbird Dame Joan Sutherland's only Wagnerian role?  Just as well it always sung off stage with no (theatrical) costume.
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« Reply #17 on: 15:59:11, 02-05-2007 »

Ie all pigeons are doves.  Not all doves are pigeons.

hmmm....Mr. Oxford English Dictionary seems to say the opposite...hmm...but surely there are some ornithologists about here who will arbitrate?
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« Reply #18 on: 16:09:42, 02-05-2007 »

I can remember a ROH production of Parsifal which appeared to be set in a box of teddy bear-coloured fun fur.  At the shooting of the swan, some female in principal boy costume came on with the inevitable stuffed water fowl held high above her head, and walked round the stage gradually lowering it until it could be placed at the heldentenor's feet.

I also remember Shirley Verrett sacrificing a stuffed goat to Dagon in the final scene of Samon et Dalila.  The resultant hilarity as the red sawdust spilt out spoiled an otherwise impressive evening.

Tricky things, stuffed beasts.
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« Reply #19 on: 16:17:45, 02-05-2007 »

Is it just fantasy on my part, but was the Woodbird Dame Joan Sutherland's only Wagnerian role?  Just as well it always sung off stage with no (theatrical) costume.

Maybe so. But who could ever forget get the legendary La Scala Cunning Little Vixen of 1963 when she essayed perhaps the definitive 'Flying Squirrel' of her generation?



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« Reply #20 on: 16:29:48, 02-05-2007 »

I can see implications for all sorts of repertoire areas. Tosca gliding safely to earth for example...
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« Reply #21 on: 16:29:59, 02-05-2007 »

Maybe so. But who could ever forget get the legendary La Scala Cunning Little Vixen of 1963 when she essayed perhaps the definitive 'Flying Squirrel' of her generation?

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« Reply #22 on: 18:01:21, 02-05-2007 »

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but surely there are some ornithologists about here who will arbitrate?

"I am sorry, I never studied ornithology."

Next question - "At what time of the year in America do robins nest?"
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« Reply #23 on: 20:21:31, 02-05-2007 »

 Smiley i thought as much - a definite lack of thought about this on my part!


i suppose that if Wotan had picked the right bird and dispatched it (but presumably not to Valhalla? Wink unless it had a hidden temperament) then Siegfried wouldn't have found out about the ring either... and with Alberich still lurking we could have had even more fun than we do...

but from Wotan's point of view that bird has a lot of blame-worthy actions to cheep about to its relatives.
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« Reply #24 on: 20:39:45, 09-05-2007 »

just heard on R3 (in a discussion about the Wagner book) that the maker of props such as the dragon (whose name escapes me) also provided "an ouzel for Siegfried". 

I googled it and the RPSB website came up with ring ouzel which looked like a blackbird with a white bit.. any other types of ouzels?
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« Reply #25 on: 10:39:47, 10-05-2007 »

In Christopher Smart's Hymn on the Nativity is the line "spinks and ouzels sing divinely".

Ouzel is an archaic word for a blackbird.

When the red, red robin comes a bob, bobbin' along.
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« Reply #26 on: 10:46:47, 10-05-2007 »

Addio, fiorit' ouzel...
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