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« Reply #120 on: 18:25:56, 28-05-2007 » |
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There's an important work by a Very Distinguished German master of opera, which has plenty of females, but in my opinion no heroine. And no mortal women, either for that matter
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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #121 on: 18:27:37, 28-05-2007 » |
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Are you thinking of Das Rheingold? or should be we looking to Mr Handel?
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #122 on: 18:35:26, 28-05-2007 » |
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IGI - Yes! Do you agree? I can think of another Wagner work where the female lead, poor dear, is not the principal interest, but you might like to argue she is a heroine really.
There's a post Wagnerian work of immense high seriousness, which certainly qualifies. (I don't mean ROSENKAVALIER, although you can argue Sophie's a wimp, and the Older Woman is not really the principal feamle lead, although definitely the star billing.)
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« Reply #123 on: 18:40:26, 28-05-2007 » |
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IGI - Yes! Do you agree? I can think of another Wagner work where the female lead, poor dear, is not the principal interest, but you might like to argue she is a heroine really.
Yes - Fricka, Freia and Erda don't really qualify as heroines, do they? Kundry in Parsifal strikes me much more as 'heroine material'.
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Parsifal1882
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« Reply #124 on: 18:47:26, 28-05-2007 » |
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Or Irene, Rienzi's sister?
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #125 on: 19:57:59, 28-05-2007 » |
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Rimsky-Korsakov's MOZART & SALIERI
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #126 on: 21:36:38, 28-05-2007 » |
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Britten:
The Church Parables - Curlew River (the Madwoman being a tenor role)
IGI - I would hardly have the temerity to question you on matters operatic, but you wouldn't say ROSENKAVALIER has no hero just because the male lead is sung by a woman, so for the same reason, Curlew River has a heroine. (And very moving she is too.) There is a Britten opera without an obvious heroine - in fact the only one possibly that has male/female juvenile characters in love, but not central characters. A seconda donna, (so she is a mezzo, in fact Nancy Evans at the premiere I think.) Yes, I was thinking about Kundry when I mentioned Wagerian female leads. You think she is, OK. But post Wagnerian (and its about writers'. or at least composers' creative blocks as much as DEATH IN VENEZIA). At ROH in the last fifteen years, but not regular repertory material.
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perfect wagnerite
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« Reply #127 on: 22:49:55, 28-05-2007 » |
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There is a Britten opera without an obvious heroine - in fact the only one possibly that has male/female juvenile characters in love, but not central characters. A seconda donna, (so she is a mezzo, in fact Nancy Evans at the premiere I think.)
I suppose this must be Albert Herring
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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perfect wagnerite
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« Reply #128 on: 22:51:25, 28-05-2007 » |
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But post Wagnerian (and its about writers'. or at least composers' creative blocks as much as DEATH IN VENEZIA). At ROH in the last fifteen years, but not regular repertory material.
... and I guess this must be Palestrina?
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #129 on: 23:30:49, 28-05-2007 » |
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An opera without a heroine? I refer the honourable members of this board to the reply I gave some postings ago on this thread. Perhaps it's pushing it to call it an opera but Cox and Box has only three characters, all male.
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Reiner Torheit
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« Reply #130 on: 23:54:54, 28-05-2007 » |
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If we can have COX & BOX, then I'd like to add Offenbach's THE ELECTRO-MECHANICAL SINGING LESSON, m'lud
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #131 on: 10:00:02, 29-05-2007 » |
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Spot on for both, perfect wagnerite. Lady Billows may be the prima donna, but she is certainly not the heroine.
There's an oddball Rossini with a prima donna, or two or three, but to my mind, no heroine.
Tony - yes we can call it an opera. Thank you.
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« Reply #132 on: 10:34:03, 29-05-2007 » |
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William Tell? Mose in egitto? Viaggio a Reims?
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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #133 on: 10:36:03, 29-05-2007 » |
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Viaggio a Reims?
I watched this on Sunday afternoon - hoot of a production from Barcelona - but I'd agree that none of the female roles are excatly heroines.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #134 on: 13:18:59, 29-05-2007 » |
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Viaggio a Reims was what I had in mind.
The prima donnas in Moise and Tell are not essential to the plot, but they are there.
IGI - do you prefer Viaggio or Ory, as they use much the same music? I think we are lucky to have both.
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