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« Reply #375 on: 21:28:47, 06-04-2008 » |
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Weber was my first thought for No 1 as well.
Hmm. Itchy scalp time.
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« Reply #376 on: 21:39:49, 06-04-2008 » |
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I know this is going to make me look very foolish but No 4 isn't Katya Kabanova is it (or something else beginning with K to make me look even more foolish)?
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Il Grande Inquisitor
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« Reply #377 on: 21:42:36, 06-04-2008 » |
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No.4 isn't Káťa, I'm afraid, George, or any other opera beginning with the letter K.
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #378 on: 21:49:06, 06-04-2008 » |
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Storm 5 La Cenerentola?
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #379 on: 21:54:46, 06-04-2008 » |
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No correct that, Number 2 is La Cenerentola. I recognise 5,but blow me, (to use quaint old fashioned usage) if I can say what it is.
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« Reply #380 on: 21:56:17, 06-04-2008 » |
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No correct that, Number 2 is La Cenerentola. I recognise 5,but blow me, (to use quaint old fashioned usage) if I can say what it is.
Yes, No.2 is the Temporale from La Cenerentola, one of several Rossini storms. To solve No.5, just scroll back a bit, Don B!!
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« Reply #381 on: 21:58:00, 06-04-2008 » |
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OK, I'm not totally sober.
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« Reply #382 on: 22:00:22, 06-04-2008 » |
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Not much of a storm amongst these caravans on the blasted heath, but No.5 was from the beginning of Verdi's Macbeth!!
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« Reply #383 on: 22:34:08, 06-04-2008 » |
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Clue: No.1 is French, No.4 Russian.
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« Reply #384 on: 09:03:52, 07-04-2008 » |
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Can't help with this one, I'm afraid, on account of being unable to listen to sound clips at work
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #385 on: 10:58:39, 07-04-2008 » |
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Well, for non-French and Russian storms, the daddy of them all is the opening of Otello.
And from the German side, the opening of Walkure.
George has mentioned a particularly apposite Czech example.
There is a little storm in Il barbiere (I'm not sure Rossini didn't recycle the Cenerentola storm there, or the other way around.)
Idomeneo from a more sedate tradition.
And in Handel operas folk are always going on about how their emotions are raging like a storm. This is mainly to cue spectacular displays of coloratura. I suggest we omit metaphorical storms like that as it would open up the field too far.
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« Reply #386 on: 11:04:18, 07-04-2008 » |
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Well, for non-French and Russian storms, the daddy of them all is the opening of Otello. Absolutely. No overture or prelude, you're just hurled straight into the storm, as you are in Walküre too. There is a little storm in Il barbiere (I'm not sure Rossini didn't recycle the Cenerentola storm there, or the other way around.)
They are very similar, aren't they.
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« Reply #387 on: 11:18:22, 07-04-2008 » |
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I suggest we omit metaphorical storms like that as it would open up the field too far.
But storms in opera are often metaphorical in that they represent the inner turmoil of the characters - such as those in Act 1 of Peter Grimes, Act 3 of Rigoletto, Act 3 of Kat'a Kabanova and at the start of Act 3 of Siegfried (the weather throughout Billy Budd is a metaphor, but no storms there - just mist and treacherous ominous calm) Other operatic storms portray the power of the supernatural: Die Frau Ohne Schatten - where the Dyer's Wife (I think - I'm at work without access to score or Kobbe and whipping out the iPod for a quick listen would be a bit tactless) explicitly says during the storm in Act 2 that dark forces are in play; and in Der fliegende Hollander, Freischutz, Les Pecheurs des Perles and Oberon. And the row between Titania and Oberon causes all sorts of climate chaos in A Midsummer Night's Dream, but that's in the play and we don't encounter the storm itself in the opera so it probably doesn't count. Sometimes of course the divine intervention is direct - we've already mentioned the hapless Boetians in Il Ritorno d'Ulisse on this thread.
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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Don Basilio
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« Reply #388 on: 11:23:06, 07-04-2008 » |
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pw - I'm sure you're right about Die Frau.
But those storms although metaphorical and dramatic, are meterological. I was thinking of simile arias - I'm sure there's one in Giulio Cesare - Gay sends up the convention in The Beggars Opera when Lucy sings "I'm like ship in the tempest tossed."
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« Reply #389 on: 11:29:51, 07-04-2008 » |
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Then there's the opening storm in Ades, The Tempest, very much modelled on the Otello one I felt, and I found it a little disappointing - not nearly magically scary enough!
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