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Author Topic: The R3 Opera Quiz - After the Supper Interval  (Read 23591 times)
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« Reply #645 on: 14:52:27, 25-05-2008 »

Not sure where Robinson Crusoe is set.

Nor am I!

Operas by Vivaldi, Montemezzi and Moncayo could lead to further answers...
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« Reply #646 on: 15:23:32, 25-05-2008 »

Restraining myself from looking up a reference book, I will give others a chance.

The only opera I have heard of by Montemezzi is L'amore di tre re, which I thought was set in some misty time far away.  But I may be wrong...
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« Reply #647 on: 23:39:44, 25-05-2008 »

It can't be L'amore dei tre re.  That's set firmly in Italy, unless I am very much mistaken.
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« Reply #648 on: 13:22:28, 26-05-2008 »

OK, guv, it's a fair cop.  You win.

I've looked up the reference books, and I can't find a thing.  In fact I can't find Moncayo at all in the Viking Opera Guide.  The only composer with a name beginning Monc is Lionel Monckton, so I assume he is very recent.  Nor in Kobbe.

And Montemezzi seems a one work guy.
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« Reply #649 on: 13:26:56, 26-05-2008 »

Montemezzi wrote an opera called Il Nave, which was greatly admired by Mussolini, but has (understandably) since fallen out of favour.  But I know nothing about where it was set.
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« Reply #650 on: 13:27:32, 26-05-2008 »

But I did notice on the shelves Gervase Hughes Composers of Operettas, in which I learn that Jolly Roger (1932) together with The Pride of the Regiment (1932) were composed by Walter Leigh to books by V Clinton Baddeley.  I remember it on Radio 3 as great fun.
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« Reply #651 on: 13:33:47, 26-05-2008 »

The Montemezzi, set in Peru, is La notte di Zoraima.

Moncayo wrote La Mulata de Córdoba, set in Mexico, about a black woman who never ages, destroys humans when kissed and who vanishes when under interrogation by the Inquisition!!

There are a few operas about Montezuma, Vivaldi's Motezuma being a recent discovery, but others by Graun and Zingarelli exist.
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« Reply #652 on: 11:25:23, 28-05-2008 »

Meanwhile Darius Milhaud's utterly forgotten opera CHRISTOPHE COLOMB is a quasi-autobiographical account from the old dying explorer, relating the tales of his many adventures.  I would imagine these feature S America in some considerable extent, but I've never heard this piece or seen a score, so I can't say for sure.

There's a Spontini opera called FERNANDO CORTEZ, and telling the life of the conquistador - but again, I don't know a note of this stuff.  Spontini is a rather talented cove, so there might be merit in excavating the piece?

The oldest opera written in Latin America (although by Spanish emigres) is Torrejón y Velasco's LA PURPURA DE LA ROSA, commissioned by the Viceroy of Peru in 1659,  with music by Juan Hidalgo,  to celebrate the marriage of the French King Louis with the infanta Maria Theresa.  The music survives, and I believe Andrew Lawrence-King and The Harp Consort have plans to stage the thing next year, since it comes up for an Anniversary of sorts Smiley

Would anyone like to mention the Zarzuela tradition that took root in Latin America from its native Spain? Smiley
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« Reply #653 on: 22:05:07, 02-06-2008 »

If we've finished with Latin America, how about shepherds?

Operatic characters often overhear shepherds singing or playing their rustic instruments.

There are some very obvious ones, and some not so.

Any takers?
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« Reply #654 on: 22:25:25, 02-06-2008 »

Well,

Some obvious contenders:

Tannhauser - the shepherd whose piping is heard after Tannhauser legs it from the eternal tedium of the Venusberg;
Tristan und Isolde - the shepherd's pipe in Act 3
Il Ritorno d'Ulisse - Act 2 begins with the shepherd Eumetes singing of his contented lot
Evgeny Onegin - As dawn breaks after Tatiana has written her letter to Onegin, we hear a shepherd's pipe outside

Less obvious: D'Albert's Tiefland, an underrated work, is all about shepherds, as is Birtwistle's Yan Tan Tethera, where the piping of a shepherd gone bad, luring sheep into the mountain IIRC, is a key part of the action.

I don't think The Pilgrim's Progress counts.  The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains are not overheard, but at the centre of the action.
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« Reply #655 on: 23:15:21, 02-06-2008 »

Well,

Some obvious contenders:

Tannhauser - the shepherd whose piping is heard after Tannhauser legs it from the eternal tedium of the Venusberg;
Tristan und Isolde - the shepherd's pipe in Act 3
Il Ritorno d'Ulisse - Act 2 begins with the shepherd Eumetes singing of his contented lot
Evgeny Onegin - As dawn breaks after Tatiana has written her letter to Onegin, we hear a shepherd's pipe outside

Less obvious: D'Albert's Tiefland, an underrated work, is all about shepherds, as is Birtwistle's Yan Tan Tethera, where the piping of a shepherd gone bad, luring sheep into the mountain IIRC, is a key part of the action.

I don't think The Pilgrim's Progress counts.  The Shepherds of the Delectable Mountains are not overheard, but at the centre of the action.

Tannhäuser & Tristan were the first to my mind, too, pw.  Apart from those, Amahl who has the night visitors is a shepherd, isn’t he?  Leukippos in ‘Daphne’ is one as well and there are unnamed shepherds in that opera as well.  The woman preparing Jenufa on her wedding day is ‘A Shepherdess’ , though it’s not clear to me why we need to know this!

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« Reply #656 on: 05:55:42, 03-06-2008 »

If we've finished with Latin America, how about shepherds?

Operatic characters often overhear shepherds singing or playing their rustic instruments.

The most obvious one to me is the shepherd boy at the start of Act III of Tosca, who is heard off-stage.

Shepherds appear in Enescu's Oedipe, proclaiming his birth.
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« Reply #657 on: 10:24:43, 03-06-2008 »

Shepherds appear in Enescu's Oedipe, proclaiming his birth.

And one shepherd plays his flute at the crossroads before Oedipus unknowingly kills his father.  The notes to the Van Dam recording I got second hand in Gramex say the music is typically Romanian.

I was going to count Pilgrim's Progress, but pw has mentioned it.  The scene opens with a boy singing He that is down, and he must be a shepherd.  The music fills the same function as those other ones we have mentioned - an indication of life going on apart from the main characters.

You really don't like Act 1 of Tannhauser, do you, pw?  Not a work I have heard for years, and your reiterated comments, like the drip drip of water on a stone, convince me not to bother in future apart from the hit numbers.
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« Reply #658 on: 11:54:53, 03-06-2008 »

In the opening scene of Monteverdi's ORFEO, the shepherd swain are singing and dancing in anticipation of Orfeo's forthcoming marriage to Eurydice.

BASTIEN ET BASTIENNE are shepherd and shepherdess respectively (and I play my Joker for double points by claiming the same characters in Rousseau's opera LE DEVIN DU VILLAGE).

Lel' is the shepherd with whom SNOW MAIDEN falls in love, and he has some dances accompanied by his shepherd's pipe (a clarinet, in the score).

Since we're unlikely to have a separate round on goatherds (as distinct from shepherds) there's one in DINORAH, although I don't think Dinorah herself counts as her goat is a pet and not a farm animal.

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« Reply #659 on: 12:31:43, 03-06-2008 »

Thanks everyone.  As pw saw, my original intention was not Shepherds in Opera, but those odd, often touching, moments when their music is overheard, even if as the end of Tatyana's letter scene they remain mute and unseen.

And you got all I was thinking about, plus extras.
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