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Author Topic: Cardiff Singer of the World  (Read 1069 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 21:51:37, 16-06-2007 »

This has been an infuriating competition for me - I look forward to it for two years and then I am on a work trip abroad for the first three concerts, and I was only able to dip in and out of the song final tonight because the rest of the family wanted to see other things tonight (I am pulling Father's Day privileges for tomorrow's final!).  But I agree that Elizabeth Watts looks like the real thing - and she is singing the exquisite Je vais le voir from Beatrice et Benedict as her closing piece tomorrow, a great favourite of mine.

Haven't seen the Chinese bass yet, but I loved the Japanese soprano, Mari Moriya - pity she didn't make it to the final.
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« Reply #16 on: 21:58:36, 16-06-2007 »

Well, I really enjoyed this evening's recital final: lot's of good, intelligent singing and (unusually!) I agreed both with the jury's decision and with the expert comments from Christopher Maltman (especially) and Mary King. 

Repertoire choices were generally interesting, but it was slightly disappointing not to hear anything earlier than Schubert.  In fact, I reckon more than 3/4 of the repertoire was post-Schumann.  Not sure why this was - perhaps singers think they need late-romantic and more modern songs in order to demonstrate their expressiveness and responsiveness to the text?  If so, I think they are wrong and some may be missing an opportunity to differentiate themselves effectively by dipping into the baroque era (e.g. a Purcell song) in order to create a more varied programme.  That said, it must be hard to design such a short programme for such an intense event.

Do people generally think that this recital final gave any pointers to the main final tomorrow?  I only heard a very few extracts from the semi-finals (missing all of the eventual finalists, as it turned out, except the American baritone this evening), so have no preconceptions from these.  On the basis of this evening, I would say that the Chinese bass-baritone seemed likely to impress on the larger stage (so long as he doesn't go woolly under stress).

Oh, and some good piano-playing too - some of those accompaniments sounded (and looked) pretty tricky!

Please forgive the randomness of these comments in my first post on these boards - I have been reading them for a while, but only just dared to dip my toe in the water.......
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« Reply #17 on: 22:29:44, 16-06-2007 »

Welcome to the board Rolmill.

The song competition seemed much more musicianly and less showbiz than the main contest, although interestingly the two most obviously crowd pleasing winners from the heats have failed to make the final. I think the verdict tonight was a bit of a no brainer. Whether that will count against Elizabeth Watts tomorrow remains to be seen i.e. they might not want to give both prizes to the same person. Hopefully they will all start with a clean slate and it will be judged on the performance on the night.

I haven't followed the contest closely for years, only the previous two really. Does anyone know if there is a suspicion that factors other than singing are taken into account, such as future marketability, recording potential etc.
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« Reply #18 on: 22:41:17, 16-06-2007 »

# 16        A most warm welcome to you, Rolmill.

I, too, have thoroughly enjoyed the transmissions from Cardiff and have been canny enough to record each programme so that I could also see "Springwatch".   Also helpful when I want to recap on a particular performance.

My vote for the finals is likely to go to Elizabeth Watts and her lieder programme tonight was really exquisite.   Such a complete performer, too.

Yang Shen, bass baritone, may yet surprise us tomorrow and I thought his performance of Duparc's Phidyle was spell-binding.

So encouraging to see such a wide range of talent this week.
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« Reply #19 on: 22:47:30, 16-06-2007 »

Thanks BobbyZ and Stanley.

Didn't a tenor (don't recall his name) win both the main and the song prizes the competition before last?  So hopefully that implies no pre-judgement against this possibility tomorrow.  I think Elizabeth Watts has a very beautiful voice, which she uses sensitively and intelligently, so she should have a good chance tomorrow and I would love to see her win.  However, the Chinese bass-baritone also impressed me - I got the feeling that he has the potential to bring the house down with the right choice of operatic repertoire.

I don't know about non-musical factors - though there has been some talk of that in the case of the previous winner.  But I would have thought that the jury is sufficiently distinguished and independent to resist any attempt to push them down such a path.  I would guess that the more likely issue for them, especially given the range of ages and experience on display, is whether to judge purely on current ability or to take into account potential.  I would hope for the former, but we shall see.....

Unfortunately, despite it being Father's Day tomorrow, I will not be able to pull rank in order to watch it live, so will record and (I hope) savour it later.
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« Reply #20 on: 23:43:01, 16-06-2007 »

Interesting line up for the Final tomorrow:

Miranda Keys – Australia
R STRAUSS: Frühling (4 Letzte Lieder, No 1)
SMETANA: Och, jaký zal!...Ten lásky sen (The Bartered Bride)
BEETHOVEN: Abscheulicher! wo eilst du hin? (Fidelio)

María Isabel Vera – Chile
VERDI: Stride la vampa! (Il trovatore)
VERDI: Re dell'abisso - È lui! è lui! ne' palpiti (Un ballo in maschera)
MASCAGNI: Voi lo sapete, o mamma (Cavalleria Rusticana)
VERDI: O don fatale (Don Carlo)

Shen Yang – China
VERDI: Studia il passo...Come dal ciel precipita (Macbeth)
MOZART: Mentre ti lascio, o figlia (K513)
RAKHMANINOV: Aleko's Cavatina (Aleko)

Elizabeth Watts – England
HANDEL: Amor è quel vento (Orlando)
PUCCINI: Oh! mio babbino caro (Gianni Schicchi)
BERLIOZ: Je vais le voir - Il me revient fidèle (Béatrice et Bénédict)

Levente Molnár - Hungary
LEONCAVALLO: Si può? si può? Signore! (Pagliacci)
VERDI: O Carlo, ascolta...Io morrò (Don Carlo)
MOZART: Fin ch'han dal vino (Don Giovanni)
VERDI: È sogno? O realtà (Falstaff)

I see the Hungarian baritone is finishing with Ford's monologue, which he also sang in his Heat. I didn't realise that was allowed. I see the Chilean mezzo's gone for a barnstorming quartet which looks a bit lacking in variation. I think it will be between Elizabeth Watts and Shen Yang; it will be interesting to hear how she sings the Puccini - it should have a light, comic touch (she's petulatly twisting her father's arm here), and I look forward to Shen Yang's Aleko, an unusual choice, although another bass also sang it this week.  I'm in London for the day, but will tape it so I can watch in the evening.
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« Reply #21 on: 12:45:46, 17-06-2007 »

# 20      Many thanks, IGI, for providing details of the line-up and programme for today's Finals.   I've done a print out which I shall attach to my DVD recording.

#19     The winner in 2003, Rolmill, was Tommi Hakala.

I've been looking at a recording of the 2005 Finals this morning.  Nicole Cabell won: a natural communicator with real star quality.    Her performance of Tippett's 'How can I cherish my man in such days' (A Child of Our Time) was quite hypnotic.    Interesting to know that she'd already performed this aria with the Chicago S.O. and this made me wonder - as it has done throughout the week - how the judges can assess, or even discount, her substantial experience with equally talented performers who are still relatively unpracticed in the technique of presentation.  I think they provided the answer by their shrewd selection of tonight's finalists (or their innate wisdom in agreeing with my choice!) but I did note that a couple of novelty, albeit appealing performances, weren't selected for the end game.
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« Reply #22 on: 14:23:42, 17-06-2007 »

Stanley, thanks - I had my years mixed up, I was attempting to refer to Marius Brenciu, who won both the song prize and the main prize in 2001.  And I agree with you that comparing singers with very different levels (and types) of experience is hard - but then, so is comparing different types of voice anyway.......which is why we enjoy shouting our disagreement with jury decisions at the television!
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« Reply #23 on: 20:42:14, 17-06-2007 »

Any opinions about tonight's final? I was disappointed that Shen Yang won, though I thought he would because of all the favourable comments about him from the resident experts. Didn't do a thing for me - but then I don't think I've ever been moved by a bass-baritone. I just don't like the voice.

Elizabeth Watts for ever! I truly don't think I'm biased because she's English, but perhaps there is something in the style as well as the voice that we recognise - I don't know. She is such a complete artist.
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« Reply #24 on: 20:57:09, 17-06-2007 »

Mary, I agree that Elizabeth Watts has a fabulous voice and, even more importantly, uses it beautifully and intelligently.

Do you think she'd have won tonight if she hadn't already won the recital prize? She's mature enough for all the work she'll be offered after this competition whereas Shen Yang (I really like his voice!) is too young for all the offers he'll receive. He may be tempted to perform roles he's not ready for and so ruin his voice. I do hope he has some wise guidance.

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« Reply #25 on: 21:09:59, 17-06-2007 »

They've both got great voices from the little I've heard of them, although I'd definitely go for EW. Someone has to win and who knows what goes on in the jury room? Someone won both prizes once before I think PT said during the waffle which filled the time while the jury was making up its mind(s).

Ooops, see post 22 for the answer to that
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« Reply #26 on: 21:14:13, 17-06-2007 »

I did not listen too much, but I liked Elizabeth Watts. I did not like chinese man too much. May be I have to listen again.
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« Reply #27 on: 21:20:01, 17-06-2007 »

I think it was between Elizabeth and Shen Yang and thought she was more consistent. But I'm prepared to accept that Antonio Pappano and Mary King ( not to mention the jury ) are more expert than me ! Having said that, his Mozart was generally considered to be a bit of a flop and his programme was saved by the Rach but should that be enough ?

Anyway, Ms Watts won't have any trouble building a fine career and she has the song prize. I was also pleased with the South African winning the audience prize, the cynic in me had assumed the public vote would have gone to the counter tenor or the Queen of the Night.
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« Reply #28 on: 21:28:35, 17-06-2007 »

It was an interesting conundrum for the judges - Elizabeth Watts was clearly the most finished and consistent singer over her programme as a whole but Shen Yang gave what I thought was the best performance of the night in the wonderful Aleko cavatina, which followed his rather dull Mozart.

But I think what I will take away from the evening and remember was the Rachmaninov - like Bryn Terfel singing Die Frist ist um, one of those iconic unforgettable performances.

T-p - I was interested in your reaction since I thought the Aleko performance sounded quite authentically Russian - but then perhaps it was my bent Anglo-Saxon ears!

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« Reply #29 on: 21:40:41, 17-06-2007 »

I thought the Hungarian would get the audience prize - the audience in the hall went mad with enthusiasm every time he appeared - but I'm glad the South African did.
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