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« Reply #15 on: 00:42:55, 23-08-2007 » |
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And there is a truly vile anecdote about Josef Krips in Ring Resounding, which - if it's true - must make Krips one of the most unspeakable personalities in the history of music.
I couldn't resist finding out more about that, SK, but I can't find any mention of him in Ring Resounding. He's not in the index. But I agree there's something about Culshaw's prose style that would have led you to what you said in your original posting. |
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« Reply #16 on: 10:42:36, 23-08-2007 » |
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Tony,
Look up the name 'Jennings, Christopher' in the index and it should direct you to the relevant section. The conductor in the anecdote isn't named, because when R.R. was first published (1967), he was still alive. When he came to write his autobiography, Culshaw felt able to identify him as Krips, who had died in 1974.
As I've said, some people have cast doubt on the veracity of some of Culshaw's anecdotes; but, if this is true, it's a very nasty story, indeed.
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« Reply #17 on: 10:50:12, 23-08-2007 » |
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Wow! I didn't realize that was Krips. A very nasty side to his character indeed and I don't think it's the sort of anecdote that Culshaw would make up.
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« Reply #18 on: 11:16:44, 23-08-2007 » |
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The trouble is that Culshaw seems to have been the only witness and there may be some misinterpretation of Krips' alleged remarks,or maybe a clash of personalities . Other writers,Ivan March for instance, go out of their way to emphasisie Krips 'easy-going geniality'.
I'm just trying to look at this impartially.I myself have on occasion taken extreme dislike to isolated individual people who were often regarded by others as oveflowing with good humour , generosity and bonhomie.
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« Reply #19 on: 11:49:29, 23-08-2007 » |
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The trouble is that Culshaw seems to have been the only witness and there may be some misinterpretation of Krips' alleged remarks,or maybe a clash of personalities . Other writers,Ivan March for instance, go out of their way to emphasisie Krips 'easy-going geniality'. I'm just trying to look at this impartially.I myself have on occasion taken extreme dislike to isolated individual people who were often regarded by others as oveflowing with good humour , generosity and bonhomie. [/quote True enough.  There is something rather funny (ha-ha), though, about a conductor who gets in a temper because someone praises his interpretation of Johann Strauss.  |
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« Reply #20 on: 09:10:56, 24-08-2007 » |
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'There is something rather funny (ha-ha), though, about a conductor who gets in a temper because someone praises his interpretation of Johann Strauss.'
yes,this sounds so unlikely that I wonder if there was indeed a misunderstanding,,maybe caused by language.
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« Reply #21 on: 10:40:48, 24-08-2007 » |
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'There is something rather funny (ha-ha), though, about a conductor who gets in a temper because someone praises his interpretation of Johann Strauss.'
yes,this sounds so unlikely that I wonder if there was indeed a misunderstanding,,maybe caused by language.
The full story is that Christopher Jennings, who worked for Decca, wrote an article praising very highly a concert of J Stauss's music conducted by Krips, saying that he was the greatest living conductor of that music. Krips took offence at this because he thought it might damage his reputation as a conductor of serious music. He insisted that Decca sack him (they didn't) and ban him from classical concerts, and he would never enter the Decca buildings without ensuring that Jennings was not there. Krips and his wife started a gossip campaign against Jennings and when Krips was told that Jennings had died at the age of 30 from polio he said: "God has punished him and his family for what he did to me." Maybe there is some exaggeration there and I agree that parts of it do sound unlikely but it has to be more than a misunderstanding of language. |
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« Reply #22 on: 14:30:06, 24-08-2007 » |
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I don't give a row of beans whether Culshaw was gay or not but I thoroughly enjoyed both Ring Resouinding and Putting the Record Straight.
But in the latter he mentions being unmarried and his enjoyment of visiting Britten and Pears and I had sort of rather assumed he wasn't much of a ladies' man--without jumping to conclusions, of course!
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« Reply #23 on: 23:31:24, 24-08-2007 » |
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Yep, there's an episode in PTRS, where Culshaw's having a drink with his old RAF chums and they seem to envy him for his swinging bachelor lifestyle. Wonder if they guessed which way he swung, though?  |
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« Reply #24 on: 09:46:05, 26-08-2007 » |
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hi,tony,yes,that is the Krips/Jennings story as I read it in 'Putting the Record Straight' and 'Ring Resounding',but is there any other source except Culshaw? I find it baffling that a conductor about whom I have read nothing else but good, could do such a thing.
I cannot but link it to my own experience of certain isolated individuals who seemed immensely popular to everyone else,but who seemed quite loathsome or sinister to me. Truly,life can be a mystery.
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« Reply #25 on: 12:17:16, 29-08-2007 » |
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Whatever JC's view of women in general, his writings make clear an unforced affection for Kathleen Ferrier and Kirsten Flagstad.
He wasn't quite such a fan of Dame Vera Lynn, as an early anecdote in PTRS reveals.
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« Reply #26 on: 17:32:19, 29-08-2007 » |
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Whatever JC's view of women in general, his writings make clear an unforced affection for Kathleen Ferrier and Kirsten Flagstad.
What an extraordinary comment. I don't think anyone else had remotely suggested that JC didn't like women, either 'in general' or individually! Just that he wasn't sexually attracted to them. It's not always the same thing, you know. |
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The city is a process which always veers away from the form envisaged and desired, ... whose revenge upon its architects and planners undoes every dream of mastery. It is [also] one of the sites where Dasein is assigned the impossible task of putting right what can never be put right. - Rob Lapsley
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« Reply #27 on: 17:54:42, 29-08-2007 » |
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Actually I think that's precisely what was implied at the start of this thread.
And I didn't say that Culshaw definitely didn't like women but simply suggested that it may have been an uncertain area.
Do you really think I don't know that men can like women to whom they aren't sexually attracted? You must think I've had very limited experience of the world.
But best wishes, nonetheless.
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« Reply #28 on: 18:58:20, 29-08-2007 » |
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Are you seriously suggesting I implied that Culshaw was a mysogenist?
I don't think anything in my initial post suggests that.
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« Reply #29 on: 19:03:14, 29-08-2007 » |
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Are you seriously suggesting I implied that Culshaw was a mysogenist?
He seems to be, yes, SK. It's certainly not the way I understood your post. |
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