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Author Topic: A-Z of Wagner's Ring  (Read 667 times)
Peter Grimes
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« Reply #15 on: 11:53:07, 19-09-2007 »

I should like to make it clear that Joe Queenan is a humorous writer. I see no reason to get hot under the collar about this particular piece, or his work in general, or indeed The Grauniad.

I do become angry when The Grauniad prints stuff by Simon Jenkins or Suzanne Moore, who expect us to take their half-baked opinions seriously.

Indeed, I have been known, after reading their articles, to hurl the newspaper across the room, to the dismay of other library users.
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« Reply #16 on: 12:19:18, 19-09-2007 »

It is not a perfect paper by any manner of means, but I think its 'editorial line' is far more open to question than many other daily papers. Granted its classical coverage is not broad or consistent, but I do think that Andrew Clements and especially Tim Ashley are pretty decent, knowledgeable and fair minded critics.
I've never heard any of those words used to describe Andrew Clements before but I'm glad he comes across that way to somebody at least. Tim Ashley does indeed seem all of those things. Whatever one might think of Andrew Clements, though, the tragedy of the Guardian's classical music coverage was surely its flirtation with Tom Service and how apparent that made its willingness to throw Clements over in favour of a younger, sexier (?!?) model. That seems to have passed, with AC back on board as if he'd never been away, although I can't imagine he feels very secure in his position (I'm not actually sure what his official position is any more).

The unwitting subtext which oozes from these "it's all quite accessible, innit, eh?" pieces is that in fact it's all impenetrable, irritating and irrelevant Sad  Why else would it stand in need of such elaborate defence?
I think you're spot on there, Reiner (and indeed this doesn't only apply to the Guardian, or to Joe Queenan, who's hardly more or less at fault than anyone else in this general tendency).

I thought the 'Ring Tones' gag was quite funny, too, though!
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« Reply #17 on: 14:50:05, 19-09-2007 »

Sorry, all, but I do get very annoyed when a newspaper/broadcaster gives someone an opportunity to discuss something when that person has no qualifications to do so.

Thankfully, the days when the BBC paid Tony Parsons (out of your and my money) to pontificate on matters of artistic note on 'The Late Show' seems to be past....but there are still too many instances of this in the media.
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« Reply #18 on: 18:35:15, 19-09-2007 »

I should like to make it clear that Joe Queenan is a humorous writer. I see no reason to get hot under the collar about this particular piece, or his work in general, or indeed The Grauniad.

But Peter, the very fact you feel it necessary to make that clear speaks volumes - that as humour it doesn't really work for the most part.

That said, I'm not half as annoyed by this as I am by the replacement for the St Albion's Parish News - they've had 10 years to plan and that was the best they could come up with! But that's a whole other can of worms.
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« Reply #19 on: 19:02:43, 19-09-2007 »

That said, I'm not half as annoyed by this as I am by the replacement for the St Albion's Parish News - they've had 10 years to plan and that was the best they could come up with! But that's a whole other can of worms.

Aren't you confusing the Guardian with Private Eye?
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« Reply #20 on: 20:09:44, 19-09-2007 »

I'm aware they're different publications, but I needed to get it off my chest!

Opilec - re #20, I wouldn't disagree.
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« Reply #21 on: 13:02:58, 24-09-2007 »

If you want a sensible article on The Ring, this was in Saturday's Times - I thought it was quite good:

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/stage/opera/article2484066.ece
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« Reply #22 on: 16:37:18, 03-10-2007 »

This might also help, though it's rather detailed....

http://members.fortunecity.co.uk/leonora/ring1.html

(I had better declare an interest here - I wrote this!)
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