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Author Topic: The Minotaur  (Read 5977 times)
Ian Pace
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« Reply #210 on: 01:06:51, 09-06-2008 »

I haven't yet seen or heard The Minotaur, so can't comment specifically on that opera, but did have a few wider thoughts in terms of the issue of the 'maleness' of Birtwistle in general and the ensuing discussion. One factor being suggested for a particularly 'male' approach seems to be the use of 'archetypal' characters rather than sensitively-portrayed, complex, developing human beings. This is about the music as well as the libretto - the perceptions obtained about characters arise equally from the former. It seems to me as if this is really a debate about the relative merits of realist/non-realist approaches to opera and theatre (a subject we've been debating a bit on M&S recently, see here; I'd also particularly like to draw people's attention to this critical review by Terry Eagleton of Erich Auerbach's classic work of criticism privileging literary realism). That's not to deny that a realist/non-realist dichotomy mightn't have gendered implications, for sure, but I think it's worth locating this debate within that existing, highly developed discourse somehow.

For now, I'm considering Birtwistle's relationship to a long British theatrical tradition going back fundamentally to the Restoration*, as I see it, since when realist theatre of one type or another has been the dominant strain, right up to the present day. By this I mean a theatre that is focused upon characters, drawn with some depth and who are allowed to develop, in what seem like plausible situations (rather than surrealistic, fragmented, etc. narratives), also mostly focusing upon their external rather than internal lives, and adhering to a basically linear, coherent, and rounded narrative. I'm sure there are lots of problems with this definition, but it's the best I can do for now! The plays of Wilde and Shaw arguably push at the boundaries of this tradition but do not fundamentally break with it for the most part. The one time I see a genuine sustained break with the tradition is in the 1950s and 60s, with the highly Beckett-influenced work of Harold Pinter, and the more 'archetypal' theatre of Edward Bond; later writers such as Howard Barker and Sarah Kane continue some of this tradition, but were by that stage much more on the fringes of British theatrical life than their predecessors. Bond's profile receded significantly in subsequent decades; Pinter remained very much in the public eye, but arguably the radicalism of his later work has more to do with its subject matter than his approach to form.

Anyhow, I do see Birtwistle very much as one who came out of this relatively short-lived period of British modernism (from the late 50s until the mid 70s) and who in his operatic work took a very different approach to the character-dominated realist strain that dominated opera as well as theatre (including Britten and Tippett's, not to mention numerous later composers who came after Birtwistle). As others have said, his characters are mythical archetypes (I find that term more appropriate than 'stereotypes') rather than fully 'human' characters, who serve a functional rather than individualistic role within the work. This is certainly in keeping with various modernistic approaches to both genres, which move away from earlier forms of individualism, sometimes in the process drawing upon earlier theatrical or literary models. But it is very unusual within Britain. Evoking some forms of supposed primal experience, whilst using advanced modern techniques to do so, was a fundamental aspect of British/French/Italian/Russian modernism (Austro-German modernism frequently went in different directions, in various artforms). And allusion to or appropriation of myth (and an attempt to create para-mythical forms of musical experience) is one way to do this. I don't really see that this need be conceived as specifically gendered, unless one believes that all sorts of archaic culture (let alone contemporary ideals of them) are inextricably borne out of patriarchal societies and must be thus coloured - a perfectly reasonable position to take, of course; I'm really not sure if myths, many of which present female characters of all types (not just the locus of men's fears, though there is plenty of that) should be seen as purely the product of the minds of men in the societies that bequeathed them, but I'd be interested to know what someone with a wide knowledge of anthropology would have to say about that.

Mythical subjects can be rendered in a realistic fashion, of course, and other composers have done so. But that is not really the case for Birtwistle. He joins a whole host of (mostly non-British) composers who have sought alternatives to character-based opera. There aren't really enough female composers of opera to be able to draw many conclusions about what an alternatively gendered approach might entail, though it might be possible to extrapolate something about the responses and preferences of listeners of either gender, though relative to time and place. Judith Weir has been mentioned (some might think that as a lesbian composer she is unusual; I don't really want to get into that); certainly her vaguely Brecht-influenced work is not fundamentally about the exploration of character in a realist mode either. Even the idea of myths as somehow presenting something 'timeless' (a point of view I certainly do not share) is not necessarily gendered (though it might be) - I can imagine there are a great many women who also hold to a comparable view (especially those who find positive feminist readings of myths and mythically-inspired drama, for example some Greek tragedy).

This is all a bit rambly (it's late); I suppose I'm asking whether a too-easy identification of certain aesthetic strategies with gender is at play here. There is an argument which associates a wide range of modernistic artistic developments with a entrenchedly gendered (male) ideology, to do with ridding culture of all elements perceived to be feminine (and also associated with 'the masses', themselves often conceived as feminine from the outside); this is not a view I share in its entirety, but also would not dismiss. If one did accept this view, it would be a small step to conceive not only Birtwistle, but also Boulez, Stockhausen, Xenakis, Scelsi, Cage, Feldman and various others as representing this type of modernism - essentially because of their tendencies towards abstraction as opposed to explicitly 'human' concerns (or conceiving the 'human' in a relatively abstract or archetypal form, as in the case of Xenakis in particular). But can we be so sure that the idea that women artists or listeners are primarily concerned with a more intimate 'human' type of art necessarily holds true? Let alone that these might imply that a realist approach is more 'feminine'?

Don't know if much of the above makes sense - interested in what anyone else might make of it.


*This is not of course to deny that realist elements existed in pre-Restoration British (or rather, at that stage, English) theatre - for example in Shakespeare - just to locate a point from which I think it became dominant.
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« Reply #211 on: 10:38:48, 09-06-2008 »

As an immediate rejoinder - the operatic work of Tippett having been mentioned - surely he belongs at the very least to a halfway house between the two groups? King Priam is surely one of The Minotaur's antecedents: some characters exist clearly only as archetypes (The Old Man, The Young Guard, The Nurse), the three other female characters co-exist as their mortal selves and their divine counterparts (Hekuba/Athene, Andromache/Hera, Helen/Aphrodite), and the concept of Brechtian alienation figures strongly throughout. Indeed no character's development is other than subservient to the basic premise that whatever choice they make is no choice whatsoever, to the point where some of them step outside their persona to examine the dilemma. I'm at a loss to see quite how this can be yoked with Britten's operas as 'character-dominated realist strain'.

Indeed, working backwards and forwards through Tippett's operatic output the same argument could clearly be made for The Midsummer Marriage, with its central characters' clear allegorical parallels to those of Die Zauberflöte, and its supernatural characters (The Ancients with their brood and Sosotris) clearly in no way realistic though impinging on (and directly affecting) a 'realistic' situation, not to mention its use of imagery and ritual from divers cultures and one facet of the tale portrayed through dance alone.) The magical and supernatural elements are an intrinsic part of the development of the plot in a manner fundamentally deeper and more mythological than is found in Britten's MND.

Is The Knot Garden a realistic opera? No, certainly not in the terms of a Britten work. Once again the characters exist as archetypes as well as human entities, their reference this time being to The Tempest; Magnus-as-Prospero clearly possesses powers which are beyond those of a normal human being: Brechtian alienation is brought into play yet again with the intentional transformation of the set to a bare stage in the last act and back again. In Ice Break, the external stories invoked are that of the Cold War and race relations: yet again there is supernatural intervention (Astron): the conflict between races is ritualised in a method which may owe something to West Side Story, but is far less impressive.  In New Year (surely one of the very few operas to have been inspired by a TV play) there is yet again alien intervention, though the mythology invoked this time is that of science fiction.

The majority of Tippett's operatic characters, even though they may display realistic behaviour patterns, are clearly never intended to be taken at face value as mere characters, which renders them fundamentally different to most of those in Britten's canon (I'd offer Paul Bunyan, possibly the cypher-characters of The Rape of Lucretia, and the voices of Apollo and Dionysus in Death in Venice as the obvious exceptions, though as has been mentioned previously, much of the difficulty that arises with the libretto of Grimes is due to the conflict of the somewhat half-hearted overlay of allegorical significance upon the central character's place in society).

None of Tippett's operas is intended to be a straight story-telling: far from it: each one possesses many layers of reference to myths, symbols and rituals, though the source reference for each becomes steadily more modernised with each successive plot (Old Magic/Greek Mythology/Shakespeare/Post-WW2 History/Science Fiction). I will grant that each story is related in chronological form (though with occasional jump-cuts and super-impositions), but to suggest that the operas of Britten and Tippett belong in any way to the same tradition seems totally misleading. I can accept that Britten's canon is part of the tradition of 'character-dominated realism', but can see no case whatsoever for a similar description to be applied to Tippett's. I should add that the operatic works of these two composers are almost certainly those I know best of the whole genre, several of them, indeed, by heart. I'd need to see some clear evidence to the contrary regarding Tippett's operas as 'realistic' before accepting your premise there, Ian.
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« Reply #212 on: 10:46:10, 09-06-2008 »

I've never thought of Tippett's operas as being much more "realistic" than Birtwistle's, one reason being that the take place in what you might call a "mythic timeframe" where events unfold according to the structure of the myth rather than the pseudo-internal motivations of the characters (as in Götterdämmerung where the Gibichungs are chatting about suitable matches for Gutrune and "as if by magic" Siegfried turns up on their doorstep). Birtwistle's musical style also of course leans far more heavily towards Tippett than Britten.
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« Reply #213 on: 10:49:37, 09-06-2008 »

Good points, Ron; I was in two minds as to whether to present Tippett as another exception to this tradition (there are of course exceptions amongst Britten's works as well, as you said). In the case of some of Tippett, though, I do feel that they are at least informed by that realistic tradition quite significantly - not least in the frequent use of realistic text in the libretti, which I find some of their weakest aspects. I have in mind some ideas I read somewhere about Shaw, which rang very true: how Shaw takes extraordinary situations and renders them relatively ordinary (the opposite process to that in Brecht), also relatively immutable rather than contingent (ditto). There's something of that in Tippett (notwithstanding, for example, those passages in The Knot Garden where the characters seem to be making decisions which hypothetically could have gone various ways, during the work itself (some of the stage directions suggest this as well)), which is why I don't locate him fundamentally outside of the realistic tradition, which I would do with Birtwistle.
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« Reply #214 on: 11:09:07, 09-06-2008 »

FWIW I would see Peter Maxwell Davies' stage works as falling into the Birtwistle/Tippett 'non-realist/archetype' camp as well so maybe it is the UK 'realists' who, post-war, are in the minority? There have been British 'realist' opera composers other than Britten of course but I can't immediately think of any among them whose works look as if they are going to have similar serious staying power.

And I'm not sure the same isn't true of British theatre. As well as the names Ian has mentioned: John Whiting, John Arden, Caryl Churchill, David Mercer, David Rudkin, Peter Barnes, Steven Berkoff, Peter Shaffer, Simon McBurney? All 'non-realists'? Maybe not a majority but there are quite a few of 'em.    
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« Reply #215 on: 11:25:16, 09-06-2008 »

Part of the difficulty may lie with his own libretti, in which, shall we say, the wording is not always felicious (particularly his use of every contemporary and quickly dating vernacular), but I have no doubt that Tippett by intention is always non-realistic. Certainly the last two operas miss several of their marks, but the first three are pretty much on target, especially Priam, because the story already exists. Both Britten and Birtwistle had considerable theatre experience (albeit that Punch and Judy precedes it): Tippett, on the other hand, had none: that, and his own libretti, are potentially barriers to the understanding and staging of his operas. (The Midsummer Marriage, in particular, calls for complex and difficult effects, and it may well be the lessons learnt from that that impact on Priam's very much more direct presentation).

Perhaps we should consider splitting opera into two other categories: Opera as Entertainment and Opera as Intellectual Exercise (the latter potentially for the spectator as much as the creator). They're not mutually exclusive groups, but there will be plenty of examples which belong very obviously to one group or another: early Verdi and the preceding Italians surely inhabit OaE, most Wagner is clearly OaIE. Britten's operas tend towards the first group, whereas Tippett and Birtwistle (and PMD, thanks, GG) are clearly denizens of the second.
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« Reply #216 on: 12:36:28, 09-06-2008 »

I'm surprised Jung hasn't yet been mentioned in connection with Tippett's approach to archetypes. Tippett was of course famously influenced by Jungian ideas, and it seems fairly obvious that this is the source of almost all the 'un-realness' in his characters (with the exception of King Priam), whereas with HB it's very clearly the archetypes of Greek Tragedy (and their dramatic functions) which underpin his approach.

The exception in HB's output is surely The Second Mrs Kong (which I liked a lot, although I know others here did not). Russell Hoban's libretto and indeed the storyline seem very much out of kilter with the general thrust of HB's dramatic concerns elsewhere in his output. Except that, I suppose, the characters of Kong and the Minotaur are pretty similar (unloved and misunderstood beasts).
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« Reply #217 on: 13:21:57, 09-06-2008 »

Mary: now look what you've done.  A bunch of men have taken over.

Ian Pace: yes, I can see your post's resemblance to a haiku.

I am not sure that the words 'realism' and 'opera' should be used in the same sentence unless linked by the word 'not'.

In any case, words like 'realism' hardly capture the reality.

The Minotaur, despite its mythic form, is above all about that central concern of late modernity: identity.

You mention Beckett.  Beckett's early 'people', as they roam the byways of the Dublin hinterland, with all the surface trappings of realism, appear similarly preoccupied. And of course they are not really realistic at all: they just appear to be. 
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« Reply #218 on: 13:40:17, 09-06-2008 »

Jim, in Italian the word 'realism' (verismo) is very definitely associated with opera of a certain kind (Puccini, Mascagni, Leoncavallo, Giordano &c.). In all art forms, realism is presumably comparative, anyway: were it really real, would it still be Art?
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« Reply #219 on: 13:59:14, 09-06-2008 »

Mary: now look what you've done.  A bunch of men have taken over.

I know, I know Sad  And we're all doing 'boy' things Cheesy like making lists, putting things in categories, 'locating things within traditions' and running round the room with our arms out making aeroplane noises (or maybe that last one's just me).
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« Reply #220 on: 14:02:58, 09-06-2008 »

Do go ahead, lads. I'm enjoying reading it all Grin
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« Reply #221 on: 15:28:04, 09-06-2008 »

and running round the room with our arms out making aeroplane noises (or maybe that last one's just me).

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« Reply #222 on: 15:45:56, 09-06-2008 »

 I did wonder if the production could have differentiated beween the main chararters, locked into the inexorable drama of the myth, and the Innocents who, as their name suggests, had been been lifted from the free world to be skewered in an alien tragedy. Rather than portraying them as cannon-fodder would it not have been better to have characterised every Innocent, deliniating each personality, turning every death into a personal tragedy not only for them but also for the Minotaur, the half-human,the half-innocent? Instead of stylised ritual, via unconvincing choreography, we could have seen each innocent die, each death illustrating the personal cost human beings pay when caught up in Grand Designs, for whether perpetrator or sufferer all are victims. To a great extent, to my mind, this was a matter of staging. I thought how much better the tragedy of sacrifice is conveyed at the end of "Dialogues des Carmelites" (Of course this could still leave open the question of a composer's gender.) However a wonderful evening.
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« Reply #223 on: 15:59:55, 09-06-2008 »

Interesting thoughts there, Ted.
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« Reply #224 on: 13:46:48, 19-06-2008 »

Dakka dakka dakka! Die, verismo scum, die!
Isn't that the last line of The Waste Land?
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