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Author Topic: What should new operas be ABOUT? (Washington Post article)  (Read 408 times)
richard barrett
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« Reply #15 on: 14:25:25, 09-09-2008 »

It was another BB I had in mind, r, although he's less likely to cross your mind.

I'm surprised Bix crossed my mind, to be honest: he doesn't often.
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« Reply #16 on: 10:20:20, 10-09-2008 »

Surely opera has always been a dying artform?
Every fifty years or so since the Florentine camerata first had their bright idea, someone's come along and reinvented it because it doesn't work.
It's only since an idea of repertoire has evolved that we've had this sense of a real operatic tradition that succeeds.
I'm really quite monumentally fed up with reading opera reviews that say a work 'isn't really an opera' because it doesn't work like Verdi or like Handel etc.
I know that's not really what this article is talking about, but it's what I read between the lines.
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« Reply #17 on: 10:36:03, 10-09-2008 »

Neither of the operas that I've seen this year (Judith Weir's A Night at the Chinese Opera and Nigel Osborne's Differences in Demolitions) would fit the Verdian or Handelian model in the slightest, hh: yet despite (or perhaps more accurately exactly because of) this, they both worked brilliantly on their own terms and came extremely close to fulfilling all my requirements suggested above.
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« Reply #18 on: 11:07:28, 10-09-2008 »

Surely opera has always been a dying artform?


Of course I have a professional "position" on that...  Wink ...  but to keep off my own schtick on the matter,  I'm rather with Ron (above) on this...    I saw Scottish Opera's FIVE:FIFTEEN project a few weeks ago,  which presented five short new operas "Made In Scotland" (including one by Nigel Osbourne pace Ron's remarks above).  Amongst the five there were at least two which I thought "worked" very well as credible, modern music-theatre that kept me genuinely interested in what was going to happen, and how.

Part of my interest in kicking this topic into play is my own feeling that the genre is at a crossroads right now.  It can either play to its strengths and create new kinds of piece that reflect the spirit of the modern age...   or it can disappear into slow oblivion as a museum-piece culture that offers up old wine in increasingly desperate new bottles.  (I'm entirely complicit in the latter, I must confess - I have a Handel opera next year,  and yes - in a contemporary staging). 

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« Reply #19 on: 11:24:19, 10-09-2008 »

But the new and the old should be feeding off each other as a continuous dialogue, Rei. Older operas are only museum pieces if they are seen purely as artefacts of the past, with no modern relevance - although that most definitely isn't tendered as an excuse for certain contemporary directors using opera as a clothes horse on which to hang their own alien concepts: contemporary relevance has to be discovered within a piece, not imposed from the outside.
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« Reply #20 on: 11:48:18, 10-09-2008 »

In case there's any doubt, my post was a direct reaction to the article not to any other views posted here.
I think that opera's constant reinvention is partly what makes it such an interesting genre to study and in which to write (and presumably to work!).
I think that for contemporary (and by that I mean those that are being written now) opera, the problem comes less from directors serving up old wine in new bottles (where an existing performance tradition exists this can be exceptionally powerful) but more from composers, librettists, producers and directors serving up new wine in old bottles.
I've said this before, but one of the most dismal productions I've seen was of Bryar's Dr Ox's Experiment. I'm not saying that I thought it was a great opera, but it had the potential to be entertaining (well for me anyway). The libretto was written with very clear stage directions in mind which the producer then seemed to completely ignore. This was the world première (and I'm not sure if it's been done since) and was critically slammed because it wasn't a 'real opera'. Throughout I kept on wishing that they'd stuck to that for which the libretto had asked.
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« Reply #21 on: 12:44:52, 10-09-2008 »

Throughout I kept on wishing that they'd stuck to that for which the libretto had asked.

From the C17th onwards (and probably before that, but we don't have too much solid evidence) it was expected and required that the librettist himself would stage the piece.  There is an urban myth that "there were no stage directors before the late C19th" - this is untrue.  It's more that stage-directors exterior to the creation of the piece emerged as a cult profession at the end of the C19th.  If you look at Vanbrugh's THE REHEARSAL or Sheridan's THE CRITIC, both satirise hopeless amateurish authors who can only do half the expected job (the writing) - they're unable to achieve the other half (putting it on stage in a successful way).

In fact the great majority of the internal rivalries which brought the "Royal Academy Of Music" crashing-down on the heads of Handel and Bononcini was not about the music at all - it was about clashes between Rolli (a rather b-grade poet, author of many of Bononcini's libretti, and a theatre-director with several summer season's experience in Italy) versus Haym, a cellist with literary abilities and a strong sense for drama,  whose natural instincts for staging his own libretti outstripped the official "Literary Director" of the Academy (Rolli).

Let's remember that Wagner preferred to hand the baton for his operas to more experienced hands - so that he could stage the pieces himself  (no-one else has ever been credited with staging them during RW's lifetime).   So this author/director synthesis was alive and well during the C19th.

In recent years Peter Sellars has partially restored this tradition - taking an advisory role in the creation and rewriting of libretti, and creating some of his own.  David Pountney has written libretti too.   If only more librettists were obliged to see their ideas through to the first night (instead of walking away after emailing the script to the composer) we might see fewer landlocked, "unstagable" shows.   One of the FIVE:FIFTEEN shows I mentioned fell into this bracket - Ian Rankin's GESUALDO was a miserable brace of cod-operatic cliches which were so very bad that they made the show unintentionally comic in nature Sad   I've never seen so much tomato ketchup since Peter O'Toole's MACBETH.
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« Reply #22 on: 13:19:20, 10-09-2008 »

If only more librettists were obliged to see their ideas through to the first night (instead of walking away after emailing the script to the composer) we might see fewer landlocked, "unstagable" shows.  

Or, indeed, allowed to...
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