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IgnorantRockFan
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« Reply #45 on: 22:29:10, 27-08-2007 »

Roy Lichtenstein really annoys me  Angry

Many of his most famous paintings were copies -- yes, copies -- of work done by comic-book artists. These artists were uncredited and unpaid for this plagiarising of thier creations while Lichtenstein gets his copies in the Tate Modern and is called a genius.

And Lichtenstein didn't just copy; he copied cluelessly. He stripped away everything that was vital about the source material. A comic tells a story. That's the genius of comic-book artists. A point that Lichtenstein's work missed completely.

Jack Kirby drew 5 panels per page, 22 pages per comic, four comics a month, over an 80 year career. Hundreds of thousands of individual pieces of art. Roy Lichtenstein stole a few of them. Hands up who's ever heard of Jack Kirby?

Sorry. Don't mean to denigrate anybody's choice of art, but Lichtenstein really makes me angry.

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« Reply #46 on: 23:38:21, 27-08-2007 »

Hands up who's ever heard of Jack Kirby?


...and although I wouldn't quite back it up the way you did Lichtenstein certainly isn't my cup of tea either.
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« Reply #47 on: 10:08:49, 28-08-2007 »

Woman reading a letter by Pieter de Hooch



That's quite lovely; have been leafing through a short art book on Vermeer recently, and the style of this painting contrasts quite nicely with it!
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« Reply #48 on: 10:18:40, 28-08-2007 »

I'm so glad you like it, increpatio. I was introduced to Pieter de Hooch at a very early age (under eight), by a remarkable teacher. We had a lesson called "Picture Study" where we had to look at the pictures for some minutes, and then say what we had noticed. Now that's education - at least, I think so. We all loved it, and as you see, I've never forgotten it.
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« Reply #49 on: 10:28:00, 28-08-2007 »

That sounds like a perfect excuse to have another Pieter de Hooch:






One of the strange things about de Hooch and, even more, about Vermeer is that if you take out almost all the content and leave just the straight lines you end up with almost the same sort of proportions as in Mondrian's paintings. Or alternatively, one of the strange things about Mondrian is that...
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« Reply #50 on: 10:45:37, 28-08-2007 »

Roy Lichtenstein really annoys me  Angry

Many of his most famous paintings were copies -- yes, copies -- of work done by comic-book artists. These artists were uncredited and unpaid for this plagiarising of thier creations while Lichtenstein gets his copies in the Tate Modern and is called a genius.

And Lichtenstein didn't just copy; he copied cluelessly. He stripped away everything that was vital about the source material. A comic tells a story. That's the genius of comic-book artists. A point that Lichtenstein's work missed completely.

Jack Kirby drew 5 panels per page, 22 pages per comic, four comics a month, over an 80 year career. Hundreds of thousands of individual pieces of art. Roy Lichtenstein stole a few of them. Hands up who's ever heard of Jack Kirby?

Sorry. Don't mean to denigrate anybody's choice of art, but Lichtenstein really makes me angry.

I'm sorry about that, IRF, but I'm going to have to disagree. I love comic book art, even if I've only started reading them relatively recently (and yes, my hand is up re. Kirby). But to say that Lichtenstein simply copied from Kirby and other comic book artists is not quite true: they're not copies, although several of the early paintings are clearly inspired by particular comic book frames. This influence is pretty widely acknowledged - the recent Lichtenstein exhibition at the Hayward had a cabinet full of the originals Lichtenstein had drawn inspiration from, including the artist's own notebooks, and while there is resemblance, they are not slavish copies. (And to use comic books as an example against the common sharing of ideas and inspirations doesn't make much sense to me! If copyright and plagiarism were pursued in comics as ruthlessly as you suggest it should be against RL, then the entire industry would have reached artistic paralysis several decades ago, and I'm sure any thoughtful comic artist is well aware of this.)

But I agree that that comes down to a matter of degree, and to how much store one holds for the originality of an artists' conception. Where I will stand up most strongly for Lichtenstein is when you say

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And Lichtenstein didn't just copy; he copied cluelessly. He stripped away everything that was vital about the source material. A comic tells a story. That's the genius of comic-book artists. A point that Lichtenstein's work missed completely.

Yes, but - just as a painting is not a comic book, so a comic book is not a painting. By only seeing L's paintings as isolated frames "plagiarised" (your word, not mine) from a comic book, you're missing everything that is vital about painting, a vitality that Lichtenstein pursued throughout his life's work. A painting does much more than tell a story, even if it doesn't even do that; Lichtenstein's work - and this extends far beyond the comic book pieces, which are really just preliminary sketches for a personal style - is about a particular view of reality. That's the genius of painting. He didn't just quote Kirby et al; his output is full of cover versions of Picasso, Pollock, some really neat Monets, himself, etc. It's only one aspect of his work, but to put it simply: he painted paintings in the way that other people paint faces, bowl of fruit, Madonnas, etc.
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« Reply #51 on: 11:09:07, 28-08-2007 »

You make very persuasive arguments, Tim. In particular, your closing sentence is a very valid point which I have never considered.

I don't think I will ever like Lichtenstein's (early) work, because I still think he treats his subject matter poorly (as an analogy: if an artist painted horse races and completely failed to capture the drama and energy of the events, he would be a bad artist no matter how technically proficient). But I will try to remember your words and be more tolerant of what he was doing...

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« Reply #52 on: 11:22:02, 28-08-2007 »

You make very persuasive arguments, Tim. In particular, your closing sentence is a very valid point which I have never considered.

I don't think I will ever like Lichtenstein's (early) work, because I still think he treats his subject matter poorly (as an analogy: if an artist painted horse races and completely failed to capture the drama and energy of the events, he would be a bad artist no matter how technically proficient). But I will try to remember your words and be more tolerant of what he was doing...

Thanks!  Smiley Actually, although I wouldn't go as far as you, I think you're right about some of the early pictures - they can be a little flat. If you get a chance, see some of his later work - much more interesting I think (and less indebted to comics).

Changing tack, I'm not usually fan of Munch (a Munchkin?), but in the flesh this self-portrait is stunning:

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« Reply #53 on: 13:33:53, 28-08-2007 »

The difficulty I have with a lot of big contemporary art names, i.e.
  • Jeff Koons
  • Damien Hirst
is that until you read the manual, most of it makes no sense whatsoever.
Does this mean I am potentially a candidate for art therapy?
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« Reply #54 on: 22:08:07, 29-08-2007 »

Jeff Koons? One of my all-time fave artworks, outside the Bilbao Guggenheim - 'PUPPY'. It's made of flowers, so it's colour changes from season to season.  Smiley

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« Reply #55 on: 23:06:01, 29-08-2007 »

I like Munch.

                             
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« Reply #56 on: 23:08:19, 29-08-2007 »

I'll get me coat.
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« Reply #57 on: 23:37:17, 29-08-2007 »

Léon Spilliaert, Belgian painter, 1881-1946

Has done a lot of pictures of dreary Ostend by night.


Rush of wind



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« Reply #58 on: 10:30:16, 30-08-2007 »

Many thanks, MrYorick, I hadn't heard of Spilliaert! And Vertigo on the Phobias thread is also very fine indeed.

Another Belgian perhaps?



And another Spilliaert (Femme sur la digue):





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« Reply #59 on: 10:32:49, 03-09-2007 »

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