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Author Topic: Prom 13: BBC Symphony Orchestra  (Read 1507 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 10:35:08, 21-07-2007 »

He's set the words:

We envision to assertively pursue world class and high yield solutions for innovative and market driven 100% customer satisfaction

to music. Anyone got examples of unlikely words being set to music? Anyone remember that sung version of the Highway Code from the 1960s?
Not I, but while we await hearing from anyone else who may do so (and since a few other arguably unlikely cadidates for word setting have also been posted here), may I make a similar case for the dreaful piece of doggerel by Randall Swingler that dogs the finale of the otherwise splendid and all too rarely performed Piano Concerto by Alan Bush? I'm nowhere near my score of this right now, but I'll post it later when I am, if anyone wants it.

To return to Mr Dean, I was not suggesting (nor, I suspect, was the writer who drew our attention to this piece of "advertising") that those words about his piece are either by him or even necessarily representative of him (although if anyone advertised anything of mine like that, I don't imagine myself taking it lying down unless it would guarantee an awful lot of money, which hardly seems likely in this case).

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Alistair
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« Reply #16 on: 12:01:51, 21-07-2007 »

Despite advancing years and the inevitable change of my listenikng taste towards simple mielodic music, I try to give new works a fair hearing and I will certainly try to listen to this one.

As with other works which have done this,I do suspect that emphasising the extra-musical associations of a new piece can seem to be  an attempt to say 'this is more than just another piece of music', or even an excuse for a lack of musical quality or content. So I will listen to it as a piece of music rather then as a political polemic.

Is this wrong? I think the 'Riong' stands or falls on the  quality of its music rather than  the success or otherwise of reflecting the struggle of socialism in the 9th century.

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« Reply #17 on: 12:32:57, 21-07-2007 »

Anyone remember that sung version of the Highway Code from the 1960s?

I do! It was really rather funny. The conceit was that it was sung as a Psalm. I assume (but don't know) that it started out as a party piece at and some cathedral's end of term choir party or something like that and took off from there? It was one of those 'novelty' records that made it quite high up into the charts and led to one (or more?) of those strange occasions on Top of the Pops when the studio audience wasn't sure whether they should be bopping along to it or not.
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« Reply #18 on: 06:27:01, 22-07-2007 »

"Rice can be had down the river.
People in the remoter provinces need their rice.
If we can keep that rice off the market
Rice is bound to get dearer.
Then the men who pull the barges must go short of rice
And I shall get my rice for even less."

That text is also set by Stefan Wolpe, is it not?
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« Reply #19 on: 20:06:23, 22-07-2007 »

"Striking a blow against reality television, the dehumanisation of modern society and the warped language of corporate jargon, Brett Dean's 'sociological cantata' shares a social conscience with Beethoven's Symphony No. 7..."

Oh dear. Undecided
Oh dear, indeed. One might have been be tempted to ask if it claims to "share" anything else with Beethoven's Seventh Symphony were the above "information" even remotely more tasteful than what may be scraped from somewhere beneath the bottom of the PR barrel. Those three things (reality television, the dehumanisation of modern society and the warped language of corporate jargon) do, of course, exist, though quite how one could successfully strike a single blow against all three would surely be beyond the skills of the most adept "martial artist", let alone a mere composer (whose duties one would not readily assume to include striking such blows in the first place); that said, one may in any case shudder to imagine what may be meant by a "sociological cantata".

At the risk of sounding unduly optimistic, might there be a possibility that the work suffer the same fate as Mr Hayden's by being allotted rehearsal time of such woeful insufficiency and that, in this instance, Beethoven's Seventh Symphony might have to assume the rôle of last-minute substitute?...

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Alistair

Alistair, what on earth is wrong with designing a concert based o the common experience of these two composers. Both are know for starting their careers as viola players, after all. Wink
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« Reply #20 on: 21:41:11, 22-07-2007 »

The ending of the Brett Dean piece reminded me of John Adams's El Nino. Brett Dean said he is writing an opera with Amanda Holden, is she the Klinghoffer librettist ?
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« Reply #21 on: 22:03:03, 22-07-2007 »

The ending of the Brett Dean piece reminded me of John Adams's El Nino. Brett Dean said he is writing an opera with Amanda Holden, is she the Klinghoffer librettist ?

That was actually Alice Goodman, BobbyZ. Amanda Holden has mostly done opera translations (and is very good at it too IMHO) but she did the original libretto (from O'Casey) of Turnage's The Silver Tassie. It sounds like a promising collaboration to me.

I suppose the piece that "Vexations and Devotions" reminded me of just a bit was John Tavener's "Celtic Requiem" though more in terms of the general concept than the actual music.

No one else has commented on the work yet (gulp) but I really took to it. I suppose the main criticism I'd have was that some of the 'right thinking' words (as opposed to those that were being satirised) weren't really good enough for the job and ended up a bit mawkish. But that apart, I thought it was great. (I don't mean portentously 'Great', I just mean 'great!'). Given its tag as a 'sociological cantata', which was enough to make anyone head for the hills, it turned out not to be too solemn or pompous about it, which was a change and a relief and allowed it to make its points all the more effectively. And the children's choir were fabulously good. Loved 'em.   
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« Reply #22 on: 22:35:23, 22-07-2007 »

Thanks for the correction George. I thought it was an enjoyable piece too, it had to win me over after my heart sank on seeing the array of percussion ( a bit of a proms commission cliche ) And yes, the children's choir were infectiously enthusiastic. Talking about having a sinking heart, to me that normally goes along with the term "BBC Symphony Orchestra" but David Robertson seems to do pretty well with them, including the 7th.
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« Reply #23 on: 00:22:47, 23-07-2007 »

A fine performance of Beethoven's 7th, I thought. Going straight into the second movement, something I hadn't heard before, was surprisingly effective. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't done more often from now on.

As for the Brett Dean, sure life has its vexations but is hanging on the telephone and reading corporate jargon worth devoting forty minutes and such large forces to? I also thought the recorded announcements just laid it on too thickly; they were in danger of satirizing the music itself. And I don't know whether it was a problem the sound engineers had, my reception or the piece itself but often there were close ups of people playing lots of scurrying notes that were inaudible to me (the piano was an exception). In its favour I would say that it was an original, and often thought-provoking, take on a commonplace problems.
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« Reply #24 on: 00:41:19, 23-07-2007 »

A fine performance of Beethoven's 7th, I thought.

I agree.  It's my favourite symphony and I thought this performance really showed it off.

Going straight into the second movement, something I hadn't heard before, was surprisingly effective. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't done more often from now on.



I wonder if he was trying to discourage applause.  If so, it worked because there was none even in the long pause between movements 2 & 3 (although there was a fair bit of coughing & spluttering!).  How ironic that the work most often quoted as an excuse for applause between movements should be one of the few this season not to suffer from it.
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« Reply #25 on: 10:43:49, 23-07-2007 »

Well, the piece by Mr Brett Dean wasn't bad at all. Only the final movement was a bit too long for me. The performance was good. More a piece for the concert hall than for radio, I think.

I hope that next year the BBC will ask a better writer for the Proms website. Wink
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« Reply #26 on: 15:06:35, 25-07-2007 »

Brett Dean said he is writing an opera with Amanda Holden, is she the Klinghoffer librettist?
Not unless Geoffrey Hill and Andrew Clements are the same person, which would be a disturbing prospect.
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« Reply #27 on: 17:41:25, 27-09-2007 »

"Rice can be had down the river.
People in the remoter provinces need their rice.
If we can keep that rice off the market
Rice is bound to get dearer.
Then the men who pull the barges must go short of rice
And I shall get my rice for even less."

That text is also set by Stefan Wolpe, is it not?

A highly interesting remark, c-d. Many thanks.  Smiley

So far, I've discovered that Stefan Wolpe wrote music for a play called Die Mausefalle (1931), not written by Agatha Christie but by Gustav von Wangenheim. One of the songs in this play is called Song von Angebot und Nachfrage.

I found this information in an introduction to Wolpe's music written by Mr Thomas Phleps:

http://www.uni-giessen.de/~g51092/wolpeeinfuehrung.html

According to my Autoren Lexikon edited by Manfred Brauneck the play was a success in Germany and after Hitler took power it was also performed in the United States and in the Soviet Union.
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« Reply #28 on: 16:29:27, 29-09-2007 »

"Rice can be had down the river.
People in the remoter provinces need their rice.
If we can keep that rice off the market
Rice is bound to get dearer.
Then the men who pull the barges must go short of rice
And I shall get my rice for even less."

I believe it's one of Wolpe's two Chinese Epitaphs (I have it on CD with some Feldman choral works)



No, turns out it's not the same text but a very similar one about rice and peasants and political injustice. Beautiful music.
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« Reply #29 on: 16:50:18, 29-09-2007 »

I believe it's one of Wolpe's two Chinese Epitaphs (I have it on CD with some Feldman choral works)



No, turns out it's not the same text but a very similar one about rice and peasants and political injustice. Beautiful music.

Many thanks, c-d!  Wink
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