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Quite simply the worst cultural news I have read since pre-Feb 19th. A disaster waiting to happen.
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« Reply #16 on: 23:44:27, 19-04-2007 » |
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Well, per season you've xyz anniversaries due, and you scan for any compatriot band's special plans and proulgate a theme or two from familar bases -I'm paraphrasing kenyon and Drummong here as i recall them describing the process. re: RW, this is just not an intelligent decision is it-far better to outsource it to a committee, say the RPS / SPNM/ Youth and Music caucus.
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« Reply #17 on: 10:57:31, 20-04-2007 » |
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Is it significant that although I subscribe to all the BBC's news feeds related to "music", I hadn't seen this until now? 
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« Reply #18 on: 11:08:50, 20-04-2007 » |
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Ho hum. Plus ca change etc. But another glorious opportunity wasted. That's my first reaction. Think what someone with real vision could make of the Proms! But that might involve just the teensiest bit of risk... 
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« Reply #19 on: 13:11:27, 20-04-2007 » |
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you don't have to sit through "the interminable eight minutes while the piano is moved into place." Does anybody else remember a "Piano Moving at the Proms" sketch? I think it was by the Two Ronnies (performed by R.Barker)
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« Reply #20 on: 13:25:10, 20-04-2007 » |
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I read the Telegraph article about PetRock and I thought I was going to be sick.  I really enjoy all the hub-bub of the audience, the applause, the interminable 8 minutes, everything about live concerts on R3 - except the darned presenters... Live should mean LIVE - you remember? as it happens, in real time. I must admit my heart sank when I heard about RW and the Proms. Jan
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« Reply #21 on: 14:30:43, 20-04-2007 » |
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I really enjoy all the hub-bub of the audience, the applause, the interminable 8 minutes, everything about live concerts on R3 - except the darned presenters...
Except there was a time when the announcers could be relied upon to comment in an urbane and intelligent way on the music during the breaks between pieces - without having interviewettes with performers, or telling us every 15 seconds that this was "live", or giving us their opinions, or giving us their carefully-prepared "spontaneous" quotations at the end of a piece, or just generally gushing ......
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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The great John of Holmstrom it was who improvd what turned into a 45 minute saga about the Piano stuck in the switchgear. One of the great pieces of broadcasting ever imho, serendipitous witty bonhomie. Trelwaneys glib point misses the whole point of the art of broadcasting at its roots. He has some growing up to do. The late Cormac Rigby once said '...The essential in presentation is a well-stocked mind'. qed methinks.
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« Reply #23 on: 10:03:27, 21-04-2007 » |
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I heard the news on Radio 2. What a disaster this will be for the Proms. I returned to the BBC Press Office and found this:
"Groundbreaking initiatives such as A Bach Christmas (December 2005) - when the schedules were cleared to broadcast the entire works of Bach continuously over 10 days - have been a feature of Roger's tenure."
Hello? This was not a "groundbreaking" initiative, it was a "no live music" initiative.
It's like making Pol Pot editor of The Grauniad.
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« Reply #24 on: 14:56:11, 26-04-2007 » |
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I read the Telegraph article about PetRock and I thought I was going to be sick.
Well, if you will read the Telegraph.... "Jenny Abramsky said: "Roger is a brilliant controller of Radio 3.""
Abramsky, of course, is the woman who considers 128kbps a perfectly acceptable bitrate for live classical music - is she planning to wreck the sound quality of Proms broadcasts again this year, I wonder?
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Something has happened to her, and like the honchos in general my hunch is that a Blairite apparactchik is Prodnose-like under each of their desks -the feeling that the Charter will only be renewed if a Blairite revolution ignoring the grass roots is the feel of the order of the day.
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« Reply #26 on: 10:02:25, 27-04-2007 » |
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I'm not sure how these things work, but I assume RW won't have any input into the 2007 Proms? The programme must have been set well in advance of his appointment.
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« Reply #27 on: 10:41:30, 27-04-2007 » |
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I'm not sure how these things work, but I assume RW won't have any input into the 2007 Proms? The programme must have been set well in advance of his appointment. And the 2008 Proms too - the level of solo performer who appears in The Proms usually has a full diary 2-3 years ahead, and orchestras even more so. I doubt RW has much to bring to the party. His "achievements" at R3 have consisted of "repackaging exercises", treating music as a job-lot commodity which can be stacked wall-to-wall in absurd projects like the "Bach Christmas", "Ring-In-A-Day", and the "Tchaikovsky-With-Stravinsky-Ignored" fiasco. They could be compared to Tesco deciding to sell only Tomato Ketchup for a 3-day promotional period, and clearing the shelves of everything else to make way for it. If that's the shape of his Proms season, few people's breath will be bated - gimmicks, and nothing but.
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I keep hearing rumours in the queues that RW is going to include a lot more British music. I very much doubt if these have any vestige of truth myself, and maybe they are no more than wishful thinking. But we can dream...
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« Reply #29 on: 11:03:34, 20-08-2007 » |
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rumours in the queues that RW is going to include a lot more British music. I very much doubt if these have any vestige of truth myself
That might, of course, be good or bad. Knowing RW's prediliction for popularism, it might mean more 'Last Night Fever' suffused into the rest of the Festival. That, of course, would chime very nicely with his paymasters, who seem to be on some kind of tub-thumping quasi-patriotic agenda currently..I'm sure it plays well for Downing Street. I somehow found myself jittering when typing 'Festival' above...is The Proms really a 'Festival'? To me, a Festival should be one-off, unrepeatable goodies which you either get to or curse your rotten luck. There shouldn't be any Meat + Two Veg in a Festival, it ought to be a riot of exotic seafood, fresh asparagus and outrageous desserts..nothing humdrum at all. And lots of new commissions!!
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