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I actually thought it was the word 'ripped' that you objected to Don, I thought you were using 'upload' to soften it a bit! Copied is an elegant alternative IRF, well done.  How come no one 'mimeographs' anything anymore?  |
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« Reply #16 on: 16:05:29, 27-08-2008 » |
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« Reply #17 on: 16:07:18, 27-08-2008 » |
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In German it's even worse - they use the English word but with German conjugations. Geuploadet and gedownloadet.
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« Reply #18 on: 16:17:00, 27-08-2008 » |
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To be fair, many Germans do say "hochladen" and "herunterladen" -- but those terms are also used for moving cargo on and off of trucks/lorries.
But the opposite of 'herunter' is 'hinauf'; still, no one says 'hinaufladen'.
Do they? I haven't lived in Germany in quite a while.
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« Reply #19 on: 16:48:08, 27-08-2008 » |
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Terrible, never leave your ipod in clothing that's about to go in the washing machine, they are not water proof! New ipod shuffle in the post - more expense!  |
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« Reply #20 on: 16:49:02, 27-08-2008 » |
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I stick doggedly to hochladen, herunterladen, Rechner and wegen des, among other such unfashionables. Unfortunately that means the natives look at me as though I were some sort of weirdo.
Which of course I am so it's fair enough, they were going to find out sooner or later.
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« Reply #21 on: 16:57:07, 27-08-2008 » |
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The online databases which I use for CD details are most useful (and accurate) for non-classical - classical usually requires quite a bit of editing before ripping.
Does anyone know how they work? I've got a CD of an album which was originally an LP I'd copied to reel-to reel, I copied this to minidisc, copied that to my computer, edited to split it into tracks and burnt to a CD. Yet Gracenote comes up with the correct details - how?
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« Reply #22 on: 18:07:55, 27-08-2008 » |
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Does anyone know how they work? I've got a CD of an album which was originally an LP I'd copied to reel-to reel, I copied this to minidisc, copied that to my computer, edited to split it into tracks and burnt to a CD. Yet Gracenote comes up with the correct details - how?
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« Reply #23 on: 20:50:15, 27-08-2008 » |
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In German it's even worse - they use the English word but with German conjugations. Geuploadet Pronounced 'goyp-loh-ah-det'? |
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« Reply #24 on: 22:32:51, 27-08-2008 » |
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In German it's even worse - they use the English word but with German conjugations. Geuploadet Pronounced 'goyp-loh-ah-det'? I think you probably know the answer but for the benefit of those who don't the answer is no. The English bit of that word is pronounced more or less as in English. Welcome to the wonderful world of Neudeutsch. |
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« Reply #25 on: 01:33:35, 28-08-2008 » |
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The English bit of that word is pronounced more or less as in English. In which case it obviously needs a double-dot over the 'u' to make it clear it's a new syllable. Oh, no, that wouldn't work either ...  |
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« Reply #26 on: 01:41:41, 28-08-2008 » |
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In which case it obviously needs a double-dot over the 'u' to make it clear it's a new syllable. Oh, no, that wouldn't work either ... It's no more weird in that regard than "proper" German words like "geahnt" though. |
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« Reply #27 on: 02:12:41, 28-08-2008 » |
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It's no more weird in that regard than "proper" German words like "geahnt" though.
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« Reply #28 on: 10:35:44, 28-08-2008 » |
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The online databases which I use for CD details are most useful (and accurate) for non-classical - classical usually requires quite a bit of editing before ripping.
Does anyone know how they work? I've got a CD of an album which was originally an LP I'd copied to reel-to reel, I copied this to minidisc, copied that to my computer, edited to split it into tracks and burnt to a CD. Yet Gracenote comes up with the correct details - how?
You got me curious about this as well, so I've had a bit of a search. It seems to be a combination of data such as track lengths and easier methods such as the unique ID string attached to a CD, which will be a much easier thing to recognise. I can only assume that your piece has been published to CD at some point and it's matched your recording with it based on track lengths... or something... Seems a bit simplistic to me - there must be some other method that they're all sworn to secrecy about and aren't allowed to leak on the net. They can probably use basic sound profiling, like voice recognition technology, which incidentally seems to be a sideline of Gracenotes - voice-commanded navigation of your own music. Too big a coincidence I reckon. Oooh conspiracy, conspiracy... |
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« Reply #29 on: 10:40:44, 28-08-2008 » |
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Found a bit more. OK, it's not that simplistic then: The identification process involves creating a "discid", a sort of "fingerprint" of a CD created by performing calculations on the track duration information stored in the table-of-contents of the CD (see the following section for an example calculation). This discid is used with the Internet database, typically either to download track names for the whole CD or to submit track names for a newly-identified CD.
Since identification of CDs is based on the length and order of the tracks, CDDB cannot identify playlists in which the order of tracks has been changed, or compilations of tracks from different CDs. CDDB also cannot distinguish between different CDs that have the same number of tracks and the same track lengths.
For classical music, Gracenote has announced an enhanced format, the Classical Music Initiative (CMI). http://www.gracenote.com/business_solutions/cmi/
Example calculation of a CDDB1 (FreeDB) disc ID
CDDB1 identifies CDs with a 32-bit number, usually displayed as a hexadecimal number containing 8 digits: XXYYYYZZ. The first two digits (labeled XX) represent a checksum based on the starting times of each track on the CD. The next four digits (YYYY) represent the total time of the CD in seconds from the start of the first track to the end of the last track. The last two digits (ZZ) represent the number of tracks on the CD.
For example, suppose a CD contains one track. Then the ZZ digits in the disc ID will be "01".
Now suppose that the total duration of the CD is 3610 seconds (from the start of track 1 to the end of track 1 in this case). This number is decimal, and must be converted into the hexadecimal equivalent "0e1a" which form the YYYY portion of the disc ID.
Finally, the two-digit checksum needs to be calculated from the start time in seconds of each track. There is one track in this example CD, and as with most CDs, the first track starts at 2 seconds (there is a 2 second silence leader). Therefore, summing up all of the decimal digits of each track start time yields the value 2. This value is less than 255, so it does not need to be evaluated modulo 255; and therefore, the XX digits of the disc ID are "02". According to freedb.org, the example code is done modulo 255 and not 256.
So the full disc ID of the example CD is "020e1a01". Any CD which contains one track with a duration of 3610 seconds starting 2 seconds from the beginning of the CD will have this disc ID. To distinguish between different CDs which happen to have the same disc ID, the CDDB1 database is organized into multiple categories. If there is a conflict with different CD releases possessing the same CDDB1 id, they can be placed in a different category (such as classical, rock, blues, folk or misc).
Sample code for calculating CDDB1 disc IDs in various programming languages is available on the web, such as in Java. |
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