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Author Topic: an Early Music section/board on this forum?  (Read 774 times)
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« Reply #15 on: 22:46:34, 13-08-2007 »

I am not aware of the details of this.  Performance of early music is something that's somewhere near the top) of my long list of things to read up on.
I read up quite a bit around two years ago when I was teaching a course on performance practice (a bit rusty on that period now, need to bod up again), what really amazed me was just quite the extent of guess-work involved. The reliable data that exists is mighty small.
As is made very clear by at least one of the books in your list, Daniel Leech-Wilkinson's The Modern Invention of Medieval Music. Highly recommended (and not only because my name's on the acknowledgments page ... though that did make me very happy Smiley).
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« Reply #16 on: 22:52:12, 13-08-2007 »

As is made very clear by at least one of the books in your list, Daniel Leech-Wilkinson's The Modern Invention of Medieval Music. Highly recommended (and not only because my name's on the acknowledgments page ... though that did make me very happy Smiley).
Indeed - an extraordinary book. Wouldn't go down so well with HIP positivists, though. His chapter in Knighton and Fallows is also well worth reading as well.

Speaking of which - we've never had a wider HIP thread on here (about the whole business of historically-informed performance, its positives and negatives, and so on), though the subject has been touched upon briefly in other threads. What do you think?
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« Reply #17 on: 23:50:40, 13-08-2007 »

My vote's for an Early Music section (or at least pre-baroque). Apart from anything else, one of our members (Baziron) is an acknowledged expert in the field and others are certainly interested. I, for one, wouldn't mind receiving a few more pointers.
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« Reply #18 on: 00:45:16, 14-08-2007 »

Daniel Leech-Wilkinson's The Modern Invention of Medieval Music. Highly recommended (and not only because my name's on the acknowledgments page ... though that did make me very happy Smiley).
That looks like it might be an interesting read. What does he end up concluding about the presence or absence of instruments in vocal music? I've tended to be suspicious of the no-instruments brigade; while I dare say there were very few occasions on which a Munrow-style truckload of instruments would be present, it's clear that there were instruments around in the Middle Ages and it seems to me logical if not inevitable that they'd be used for accompanying voices in one way or another. It's also clear though that "authenticity" in performing mediaeval music isn't there to be had, as opposed to presenting the music in such a way that what one sees as its attractive qualities (including, I suppose, its "oldness") are transmitted to the audience.
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« Reply #19 on: 00:49:36, 14-08-2007 »

I am not aware of the details of this.  Performance of early music is something that's somewhere near the top) of my long list of things to read up on.
I read up quite a bit around two years ago when I was teaching a course on performance practice (a bit rusty on that period now, need to bod up again), what really amazed me was just quite the extent of guess-work involved. The reliable data that exists is mighty small.
As is made very clear by at least one of the books in your list, Daniel Leech-Wilkinson's The Modern Invention of Medieval Music. Highly recommended (and not only because my name's on the acknowledgments page ... though that did make me very happy Smiley).

I'll have add it to *my* list then I guess.

Edit: thanks for the list Ian.
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« Reply #20 on: 00:50:43, 14-08-2007 »

Daniel Leech-Wilkinson's The Modern Invention of Medieval Music. Highly recommended (and not only because my name's on the acknowledgments page ... though that did make me very happy Smiley).
That looks like it might be an interesting read. What does he end up concluding about the presence or absence of instruments in vocal music?
I can't remember if he has a firm conclusion on that, but it's not really that type of book. More about how we have recreated the Middle Ages in our own image, or rather to become what we would like it to be. A book about historiography, with a certain nod in the direction of postmodern ideas on that front.
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« Reply #21 on: 00:53:57, 14-08-2007 »

On this type of subject, can I also recommend John Butt's Playing with History: The Historical Approach to Musical Performance (Cambridge: CUP, 2002). A little over-written, but with some really fascinating and original thinking on the subject. That and Peter Walls's History, Imagination and the Performance of Music (Woodbridge: Boydell Press, 2003) were the last two substantial contributions to the debate I've seen, though there's a long way to go yet, I reckon.
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« Reply #22 on: 01:47:49, 14-08-2007 »

FWIW an EM section would be encouraging at least for those of us (i.e. self) who would like to know more.

On the subject of HIP, until some way of circumventing the constraints of time can be found, we have the ingredients and the recipe. What we don't have is the meal. But even with the same ingredients and the same recipe every cook prepares a meal that is slightly different.
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