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Author Topic: The standing ovation is a filthy American habit  (Read 676 times)
Ron Dough
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« Reply #15 on: 14:43:17, 11-08-2008 »

I don't understand why we have to applaud these people at all.
In which case, perhaps you've never understood that theatrical performances are a two-way enterprise, and that, by and large, an audience gets the performance it deserves. Admittedly, if it doesn't let you know that it's involved and enjoying things until the end, but then goes wild (a very Japanese trait, for example), then it's rather too late.

 Most seasoned performers can 'read' an audience pretty accurately: if you're in a run of any length, there will be particular places where the reaction confirms just how much the audience is going to give back. With an unresponsive audience it's like swimming uphill through treacle, whereas a really 'giving' house can make a show take flight. (Obviously, like all professionals, you try to do your best at all times, but, like a runner with the wind behind him, it's just that much easier.)

 We all need encouragement, and many actors are pretty fragile beings: applause is like mothers' milk, nourishing and comforting. Slog our guts out night after night to be greeted by stony silence? No thank you.
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« Reply #16 on: 15:05:48, 11-08-2008 »

I wonder how fair Mr Billington is being here.  I’ve no doubt his experience of the USA is much wider than mine, but at the one US orchestral concert I attended (in Texas) there was hearty applause but no standing ovation; and no premature applause or clapping between movements either.  In Amsterdam, though, the s.o. does appear to be de rigeur – and therefore effectively meaningless as MB suggests.  By remaining in my seat after a Concertgebouw gig I’m probably marking myself as foreign just as surely as if I were to wear a union jack T-shirt with “where’s the nearest knocking shop?” printed on it (well, we are doing stereotypes!).  I can’t say whether it’s a Dutch habit, though, having never patronised the concert halls of Utrecht, den Haag etc.  As I've commented a few times, the habit seems to be creeping in at the Cultureville Phil, too.

I have a lot of sympathy with MB’s feeling that these exaggerrated displays are rooted in the desire of some audience members to pretend they are in showbiz.  I suspect this also applies to some other behaviour such as clapping between movements and talking during the performance.  It’s done by a certain kind of person every time they get the opportunity to make themselves the centre of attention.  It’s particularly noticeable in broadcasts of ‘stand up’ comedy where the whooping and whistling starts before the performer has opened her/his mouth and often drowns out parts of the act.

We all need encouragement, and many actors are pretty fragile beings: applause is like mothers' milk, nourishing and comforting. Slog our guts out night after night to be greeted by stony silence? No thank you.

I wonder, then, what happens when the encouragement is replaced by conditioned responses.  I suppose you must be able to distinguish between sincere and insincere encouragement but surely it must be a distraction.
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« Reply #17 on: 15:16:07, 11-08-2008 »

At least we've not reached the Kabuki stage, where before a particularly celebrated moment the audience will shout encouragements to the performer, in the hope that by doing so they help him achieve it in all its glory. (Imagine a Hamlet building up to his most famous soliloquy, whilst the audience brays like a football crowd sensing a possible goal.)

And yes, if the whole audience stands even after an awful performance, then it does devalue the experience somewhat.
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« Reply #18 on: 15:44:42, 11-08-2008 »

At least we've not reached the Kabuki stage, waffle waffle waffle
Well there's an argument to say that we've already done that stage, back in the old days of touring virtuosi singalongs. 

Sometimes I really resent the feeling of having to clap lots for a performance i quite enjoyed, but didn't think was worth clapping *that* much for (and yet still I clap).  Sometimes I stop clapping when I stop wanting to clap, and hope I'm helping things from spinning out of control.
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« Reply #19 on: 15:50:25, 11-08-2008 »

 It was a great relief the day I realized you are permitted to walk out at the end of Act 1.
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« Reply #20 on: 16:14:01, 11-08-2008 »

The ovulation will not be televised.
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« Reply #21 on: 17:21:25, 11-08-2008 »

I do believe the "peculiar war-whoops" mentioned by Mr Billington are an American phenomemon.

I think you're right. They haven't yet reached the kind of venues I most often frequent though.

In evidence at Darmstadt this year.
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« Reply #22 on: 17:23:33, 11-08-2008 »

I do believe the "peculiar war-whoops" mentioned by Mr Billington are an American phenomemon.
I think you're right. They haven't yet reached the kind of venues I most often frequent though.
In evidence at Darmstadt this year.
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« Reply #23 on: 18:40:03, 11-08-2008 »

As hh can testify, I don't always applaud. I sat with my hands still at the end of the Opera North Grimes whilst all around me were going berserk: hot with indignation that a travesty had been perpetrated, and that the piece had been sold short.
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« Reply #24 on: 18:43:38, 11-08-2008 »

I don't always applaud.

Neither do I. I often sometimes now and again find myself stopping when the composer goes up to take a bow and resuming when he/she leaves the stage again.
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« Reply #25 on: 20:36:31, 11-08-2008 »

This makes me think of an ecdote heard from a former member of this board.

Concert takes place, featuring well-known composer's work, in absence of said composer (Mr. K).

Conductor finishes performance, audience cheers wildly.

Conductor, greatly pleased, lifts Mr. K's score from the podium to 'give it a curtain call' in lieu of the composer.

Audience abruptly switches to loud booing.

Apocryphal?
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« Reply #26 on: 21:09:30, 11-08-2008 »

I don't always applaud.

Neither do I. I often sometimes now and again find myself stopping when the composer goes up to take a bow and resuming when he/she leaves the stage again.

On a slightly different topic, I find multiple curtain calls after each piece irritating - particularly bad at the proms, where the audience seem to think that if the conductor can be persuaded on for a fourth time there's a good chance of an encore!  (and the band always refuse to stand on the 3rd call, waving their bows at the maestro instead)

So I tend to stop clapping after a while, but resume when the conductor/soloist returns.  Thinking about it though, isn't that a tad disrespectful to the band?

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« Reply #27 on: 22:23:51, 11-08-2008 »

This makes me think of an ecdote heard from a former member of this board.

Concert takes place, featuring well-known composer's work, in absence of said composer (Mr. K).

Conductor finishes performance, audience cheers wildly.

Conductor, greatly pleased, lifts Mr. K's score from the podium to 'give it a curtain call' in lieu of the composer.

Audience abruptly switches to loud booing.

Apocryphal?
I can only think of one conductor who regularly 'gives a score a curtain call in lieu of the composer'. He is himself a Mr K., and if the absent Mr K. was a certain Argentinian who the first Mr K. enjoys bemusing London audiences with, then I can well imagine the story is not apocryphal.
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« Reply #28 on: 22:30:53, 11-08-2008 »

if the absent Mr K. was a certain Argentinian who the first Mr K. enjoys bemusing London audiences with, then I can well imagine the story is not apocryphal.
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« Reply #29 on: 22:32:01, 11-08-2008 »

I can only think of one conductor who regularly 'gives a score a curtain call in lieu of the composer'.

Yes indeed, and this too is a filthy habit, though whether it's also an American one I have no idea.
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