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« Reply #3225 on: 21:46:55, 10-08-2008 » |
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« Reply #3226 on: 22:28:12, 10-08-2008 » |
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Hmmm... Killmayer is someone I really haven't managed to get to grips with. What is it you like so much about his music? I've dipped into it a bit but somehow the connection hasn't been made.
'Like so much' might be putting it a bit strongly. Sometimes I'm fascinated by his apparent ease of access to what sounds (to me at least) genuinely like a continuity of style with the mid-19th century rather than a conscious pastiche of a time which is no longer present; sometimes I find it uncanny but somehow not terribly interesting, if you see what I mean. NS: Enescu, Symphony No 3 |
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« Reply #3227 on: 10:25:15, 11-08-2008 » |
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Have just got hold of a CD of the Beethoven Emperor I grew up with 50 years ago! Curzon / Knappertsbusch / V.Phil. and for the first time since 1962-by which time I'd worn-out the LP- I've heard the piece played as it should be played; every note in place, every phrase as the composer wanted it, no wrong notes, nothing mis-judged. All this and an absolutely 1st rate recording. To paraphrase Rex Harrison. "Why don't players play like they did, perfect in every way? What's a matter with bands today?" (Or for the last 50 years  ) As you can tell I'm quite happy.  |
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« Reply #3228 on: 10:35:50, 11-08-2008 » |
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sometimes I find it uncanny but somehow not terribly interesting, if you see what I mean.
What I've found uncanny and not completely uninteresting (in his orchestral music) is that it sounds like music that's had 90% of its content removed and I can't get a handle on why he chose to keep tha particular 10% that he did. (We're getting a tad elliptical here, aren't we? Being away from home though I don't have my WK CDs to refer to.) |
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« Reply #3229 on: 11:08:33, 11-08-2008 » |
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Have just got hold of a CD of the Beethoven Emperor I grew up with 50 years ago! Curzon / Knappertsbusch / V.Phil. and for the first time since 1962-by which time I'd worn-out the LP- I've heard the piece played as it should be played; every note in place, every phrase as the composer wanted it, no wrong notes, nothing mis-judged. All this and an absolutely 1st rate recording. To paraphrase Rex Harrison. "Why don't players play like they did, perfect in every way? What's a matter with bands today?" (Or for the last 50 years ) As you can tell I'm quite happy. I have this excellent performance also Ted: on LP! A very good one. Another favourite of mine from that period is the Casadesus/Rosbaud performance with the Concertgebouw Orchestra (also on LP): oh, that final movement! I also have Knappertsbusch with Backhaus on LP in this concerto. Thank you for mentioning the Curzon: it brings back so many happy memories.  |
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"People hate anything well made. It gives them a guilty conscience." John Betjeman
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« Reply #3230 on: 14:11:45, 11-08-2008 » |
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Hello Pim, I have just gone up into the attic and turned out my LP collection which I haven't seen for about 25 years. Oh those sleeves! To this day I associate pieces of music with the pictures on the covers of these LPs, (the Emperor- a gold wreath on imperial purple). For me the Brahms Double Concerto, quite against the nature of the music,is a dark, moody,brooding piece thanks to the Ruysdael landscape on the HMV Ferras/ Tortelier/ Kletzki 1963 LP and very often these old covers come to mind when I play my CDs. Guess we have both had occasion to reminisce to-day.
Off-topic but I have just seen the DVD of Sombogaart's "Twin Sisters" which, although very predictable, was well acted and directed I thought.
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« Reply #3231 on: 15:56:12, 11-08-2008 » |
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Steve Reich - Three Movements. I think this is the second time I've spun it and I imagine it will be the last. He seems to have been nodding off while writing it.
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« Reply #3232 on: 16:09:58, 11-08-2008 » |
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Stravinsky - Ebony Concerto. Much less interesting than I'd remembered it. I must be in an impatient mood today.
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« Reply #3233 on: 19:16:33, 11-08-2008 » |
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Stravinsky - Ebony Concerto. Much less interesting than I'd remembered it. I must be in an impatient mood today.
Many of the performances I've heard in recent times are a) too fast and b) badly balanced. I have an old Johnny Dankworth Orchestra (!) recordings on LP which is far from perfect, but rather better than the high gloss versions you get these days. It is a good piece I reckon. |
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« Reply #3234 on: 19:26:04, 11-08-2008 » |
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Dudley Moore, no less, on piano. Crying out for a reissue: as mentioned elsewhere, those final chords are real hair-on-the-back-of the-neck stuff.
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« Reply #3235 on: 19:32:10, 11-08-2008 » |
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Gervaise de Peyer on clarinet, too. Quite agree. It cries out for a CD issue, though my (second) LP of it is in pretty good fettle.
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« Reply #3236 on: 19:36:14, 11-08-2008 » |
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Have that classic Elgar Dream of Gerontius recording that Sir John Barbirolli did with Dame Janet Baker, Richard Lewis, Borg, Niccolai Gedda, Helen Watts,Halle & Sheffield philharmonic Choirs, Ambrosian Singers.
 Two basses and mezzos? Surely not? Aren't Gedda and Watts on the Boult recording? (Same label - EMI - but over a decade later: John Alldis and LPO Choirs with the NPO, IIRC.) [/quote I see your point there. Had another look. Baker, Watts(the angel), Lewis, Borg. Thats more like it! |
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« Reply #3237 on: 20:42:45, 11-08-2008 » |
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Beethoven 'Eroica'. kob, Antonini. [Just ordered the OEHMS SACD of 1 & 2, on the basis of listening to 3.] |
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« Reply #3238 on: 21:58:03, 11-08-2008 » |
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Stravinsky - Ebony Concerto. Much less interesting than I'd remembered it. I must be in an impatient mood today.
Many of the performances I've heard in recent times are a) too fast and b) badly balanced. I have an old Johnny Dankworth Orchestra (!) recordings on LP which is far from perfect, but rather better than the high gloss versions you get these days. It is a good piece I reckon. Well this I think was Boulez, not a conductor known for his sympathy either for jazz or Stravinsky. |
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« Reply #3239 on: 00:16:27, 12-08-2008 » |
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Beethoven 'Eroica'. kob, Antonini. [Just ordered the OEHMS SACD of 1 & 2, on the basis of listening to 3.]I had no idea Antonini was doing a cycle. How good is the Eroica? Have you heard Manze's on hm? |
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