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« Reply #4140 on: 19:59:30, 14-11-2008 » |
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recorded this weekend and hopefully be released in December sometime!! That's a quick turnaround! I did write liner notes last year for an NMC disc which was recorded 24-25 November and released in early January, but that was in exceptional circumstances and the release had to coincide with a series of concerts (and I actually wrote the liner notes some time before the recording sessions. As a rule, booklets take longer to put together than the audio components of CD releases, and need to go to press sooner). |
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« Reply #4141 on: 20:02:20, 14-11-2008 » |
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I've never seen a piccolo trumpet that looked quite like your pic(c), I must say. More often more or less like it but with 4 valves. I've seen plenty that looked like Friedrich's, on the other hand.
I said more like that, ie. short, but indeed they mostly have four valves, enabling a larger repertoire of pedal tones which as any fule kno are the crowning glory of the piccolo trumpet.  The ones I was thinking of are more this sort of thing:  So not quite as long as Friedrich's trumpet but a bit less coiled up which among other things lets the player's hands stay in a more familiar position and looks a bit less like they're playing a toy. Of course the fourth valve isn't primarily for the pedals but to enable a low concert C in 'normal' notes. For me strina's 'neither fish nor fowl' applies quite well to the 'Baroque' trumpet as one still normally encounters it: that strange thing with no valves but lots of fingerholes. I've seen Bach cantata performances where the trumpeter's fingers were flapping about as much as the oboist's... |
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« Reply #4142 on: 20:32:09, 14-11-2008 » |
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Of course the fourth valve isn't primarily for the pedals but to enable a low concert C in 'normal' notes.
You don't say. I believe the shorter ones (which constitute the great majority of the ones I've seen as well as the only one I've attempted to play) are more popular than the longer ones with jazz trumpeters. |
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« Reply #4143 on: 21:19:54, 14-11-2008 » |
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NS: Stravinsky, music for four hands (Concerto, Sonata and Rite of Spring) played by Peter Hill and Ben Frith.
Temporary solution to the CD player problem is now beginning to seriously annoy me.
If I get enough work done tonight and tomorrow morning, I am bound for Richer Sounds tomorrow afternoon.
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« Reply #4144 on: 21:23:22, 14-11-2008 » |
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The ones I was thinking of are more this sort of thing: None of these, in turn, is to be confused with the 'pocket trumpet' which arguably had its most illustrious entrance in the hands on Don Cherry on Ornette Coleman's 'Free Jazz' album  NS here: Salad, but not in a salad spinner.  No, the title 'Ensaladas' is not some kind of pun, but a musical genre, similar to polytextual motets or quodlibet, but really their own sort of thing altogether, with Latin, Castilian, and occasional croutons Catalan thrown in. Very cool stuff that merits closer investigation. |
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« Reply #4145 on: 21:39:29, 14-11-2008 » |
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I seem to be the only one to find the Reinhard Goebel performances entirely reasonable and not (well hardly) at all bonkers, then? To me they're not only the ones to have best stood up over time, but seem to me to be for the most part perfectly sensible!
I think they make total sense (except for the wild finale to the third, which is perhaps just a tad much? - but in a good way). The MAK set is the first set I've come across that I've actually wanted to listen to again. No other recording I have (admittedly only a few, and mostly rather old) seems to do anything remotely similar to what goes on in my head when I look at the scores. |
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« Reply #4146 on: 21:53:09, 14-11-2008 » |
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None of these, in turn, is to be confused with the 'pocket trumpet' which arguably had its most illustrious entrance in the hands on Don Cherry on Ornette Coleman's 'Free Jazz' album
Quite so, the pocket trumpet being at the "normal" trumpet pitch but with more turns in the tubing to make it smaller. Those Ensaladas are certainly unlike anything else. As you'll know, as well as the various languages there are also onomatopoeic sounds in the vocal parts, imitations of instruments and so on. |
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« Reply #4147 on: 21:57:29, 14-11-2008 » |
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I seem to be the only one to find the Reinhard Goebel performances entirely reasonable and not (well hardly) at all bonkers, then? To me they're not only the ones to have best stood up over time, but seem to me to be for the most part perfectly sensible!
I think they make total sense (except for the wild finale to the third, which is perhaps just a tad much? - but in a good way). The MAK set is the first set I've come across that I've actually wanted to listen to again. No other recording I have (admittedly only a few, and mostly rather old) seems to do anything remotely similar to what goes on in my head when I look at the scores. I have no recording of the Brandenburg Concertos and think maybe these MusAntKöl recordings are a desirable thing. |
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« Reply #4148 on: 22:29:35, 14-11-2008 » |
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I seem to be the only one to find the Reinhard Goebel performances entirely reasonable and not (well hardly) at all bonkers, then? To me they're not only the ones to have best stood up over time, but seem to me to be for the most part perfectly sensible!
I think they make total sense (except for the wild finale to the third, which is perhaps just a tad much? - but in a good way). The MAK set is the first set I've come across that I've actually wanted to listen to again. No other recording I have (admittedly only a few, and mostly rather old) seems to do anything remotely similar to what goes on in my head when I look at the scores. I have no recording of the Brandenburg Concertos and think maybe these MusAntKöl recordings are a desirable thing. I would heartily endorse such a course of action as acquiring same post haste. |
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« Reply #4149 on: 07:31:54, 15-11-2008 » |
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Quite interesting those piccolo trumpets. Very hard instruments to play, I might add. Similar to the cornet in Bb, I think.
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« Reply #4150 on: 09:30:19, 15-11-2008 » |
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Quite interesting those piccolo trumpets. Very hard instruments to play, I might add. Similar to the cornet in Bb, I think.
Do you mean Eb cornet, BBM? I'm certainly no expert on Brandenburg Concerto recordings/performances but I'd welcome informed opinion on the one recording I do possess which is a 1965 version featuring I Musici with the likes of Maurice Andre, Severino Gazzelloni, Heinz Holliger and Felix Ayo. No. 2 spinning at the moment: as far as the outer movements are concerned certainly not one of the fastest. |
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« Reply #4151 on: 16:54:24, 15-11-2008 » |
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NS here:  Having been motivated by enthusiasm earlier on this thread for Lawes, a composer I didn't know at all, I found this in Hove Library today - utterly captivating music (and for once a library disc that doesn't appear to have been used for frisbee practice) I feel an itchy credit card coming on .... |
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #4152 on: 17:06:36, 15-11-2008 » |
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I've got about £150 worth of CDs and books sitting in my shopping basket waiting for me to press the button mainly thanks to suggestions from this board!
Right now, I'm listening to the LaSalle quartet playing Nono's Fragmente-Stille.
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« Reply #4153 on: 17:34:26, 15-11-2008 » |
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Yes, autosharp. I meant the Eb.
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