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« Reply #45 on: 15:42:47, 08-03-2007 » |
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t-p! Кор-англе - это матушка гобоя! Я поздравляю тебя с Международным Днем Женщин! Или с Днем Международных Женщин!  [ apologies to everyone else, just a bit of Russian National Holiday greeting :-) ]
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They say travel broadens the mind - but in many cases travel has made the mind not exactly broader, but thicker.
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« Reply #46 on: 15:48:52, 08-03-2007 » |
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It looks like an oboe to me too. It's a cor anglais in the largo from Dvorak's 9th symphony, if I remember my school music lessons correctly. A very famous tune for people of my generation in England 
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Allegro, ma non tanto
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« Reply #47 on: 16:42:32, 08-03-2007 » |
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It's as good for you today as it always was Now I feel as if I am gazing into the abyss and seeing just how shallow I am 
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Click me -> About meor me -> my handmade storeNo, I'm not a complete idiot. I'm only a halfwit. In fact I'm actually a catfish.
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« Reply #48 on: 16:53:20, 08-03-2007 » |
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Thank you everybody for your help. Thank you R_T for congratulating me with international woman's day. I am so touched by good wishes. It was so silly in Russia with this day, I think, but nice all the same. There was 28th of something for Army day when everyone congratulated men (as if they were all in the army).
So cor anglais is a relative of oboe. I now realise I probably could find it by google and not to bother you all. many thanks again. I think it is a beautiful instrument. Being pianist doesn't make things easy. In Russia the joke was: father had three sons, two were smart and the third was a pianist.
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« Reply #49 on: 18:17:11, 08-03-2007 » |
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Mr Sudden is the man to tell us the truth on this, I guess... but I was always told "cor anglais" was actually a corruption of "cor anglé" - ie the instrument was "bent", so that it fell under the hands a bit more conveniently? I don't believe there's anything especially "English" about this alto oboe. I think the original "use" of the cor-anglais was to play the alto part in oboe bands - which played military music in the days before valved brass instruments could take over this function?
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« Reply #50 on: 16:40:30, 09-03-2007 » |
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"The French horn is German, and not to be confused with the English horn, which is French." (Anna Russell.)
I did hear that the whole 'cor anglé' idea is supposed to be a red herring but I don't know what the current state of organological expertise is supposed to be on the subject. There are oboes pitched in low F from a few different areas in the Baroque and some of them have different shapes; Bach had an 'oboe da caccia' (which had a big brass bell making it look a bit like a horn) as well as a 'taille', for example, although his nomenclature is often pretty confused.
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« Reply #51 on: 17:46:22, 09-03-2007 » |
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Since oboes appeared out of the shawm and schalmei family, it's not surprising that instrument-makers in different localities approached the problem of making alto-pitched versions (renaissance instruments usually appeared in whole "consorts", with SATB sizes and sometimes higher and lower also) in different ways. For example there are still schalmei played in bands in Catalunya, in different sizes. There are some alto and tenor oboes in the V&A's fine collection of old instruments, mostly English-made, and they are yet another solution to the idea. Thomas Hardy (who was a church bandsman himself) mentions something of their use in the days before organs were inflicted on English parochial churches. Mr Sudden will be unsurprised to hear that it was bad behaviour and drunkenness on the job amongst the wind-players which provided the motivation to replace the church band in Hardy's short story with an organ. Sometimes I wonder how the decision to make it an organ was reached? Perhaps they sat down and said "who's the most serious-minded and humourless instrumentalist we can think of, who won't muck around during services, and has no personal life that will prevent him being available for services at short notice?" 
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« Reply #52 on: 19:12:23, 09-03-2007 » |
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Won't muck around during services? Organists?? How wrong could they be!!!
Which reminds me, my favourite instrument is ... the ORGAN! No other instrument except the piano has a larger solo repertoire. And no instrument (except possibly the drum) has a repertoire that spans more centuries. Plus there is the joy that no two organs are quite the same.
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« Reply #53 on: 19:28:36, 09-03-2007 » |
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"Perhaps they sat down and said "who's the most serious-minded and humourless instrumentalist we can think of, who won't muck around during services, and has no personal life that will prevent him being available for services at short notice?"
Many years ago, in my church boy chorister days, we had an assistant organist who fitted admirably all the criteria, with one exception - he was astonishingly foul-mouthed, and his (frequent) wrong notes were usually followed by outbursts of swearing that were clearly audible to the (hugely amused) choir, and on one occasion at least - when a last-minute change of hymn produced the inevitable four-lettered obscenity - in the congregation as well.
But he was, in his fashion, reliable, and I suppose nobody had the heart to sack him
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At every one of these [classical] concerts in England you will find rows of weary people who are there, not because they really like classical music, but because they think they ought to like it. (Shaw, Don Juan in Hell)
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« Reply #54 on: 12:00:40, 12-03-2007 » |
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There are some alto and tenor oboes in the V&A's fine collection of old instruments, mostly English-made, and they are yet another solution to the idea. Thomas Hardy (who was a church bandsman himself) mentions something of their use in the days before organs were inflicted on English parochial churches. Mr Sudden will be unsurprised to hear that it was bad behaviour and drunkenness on the job amongst the wind-players which provided the motivation to replace the church band in Hardy's short story with an organ. Sometimes I wonder how the decision to make it an organ was reached? Perhaps they sat down and said "who's the most serious-minded and humourless instrumentalist we can think of, who won't muck around during services, and has no personal life that will prevent him being available for services at short notice?"  I've seen it suggested that moves to a robed choir in the chancel, with organ accompaniment were something of a "side-effect" of the Oxford movement and liturgical revival within the Church of England.
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« Reply #55 on: 14:10:41, 13-03-2007 » |
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Is anyone an authority on bass drums here. I was admiring someone's instrument when I mention a Verdi drum. Though bigger than normal, it's not that much more powerful. He said that he had played the Verdi Requiem on a drum no bigger than a large tray but to good effect because it doesn't really matter as long as you hit it hard enough. I suppose in that work, the visual impact counts for something.
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« Reply #56 on: 21:46:52, 16-03-2007 » |
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We don't hear much in the classical world about that small type of euphonium known as the tenor horn. (Do correct me if I'm wrong, if it's really a horn.) Yes, it features in the brass and silver band world, but it's high time its status were improved. Will anyone write a Serenade for Tenor Horn, and Strings? 
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« Reply #57 on: 09:05:43, 17-03-2007 » |
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The tenor horn is a saxhorn rather than a small euphonium (which itself is a small tuba). Althorn in German. Hindemith wrote a sonata for it.
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« Reply #58 on: 09:12:27, 17-03-2007 » |
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The tenor horn is a saxhorn rather than a small euphonium (which itself is a small tuba). Althorn in German. Hindemith wrote a sonata for it.
Thank you for clearing that up, autoharp.
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« Reply #59 on: 16:09:43, 17-03-2007 » |
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Yes, unusual piece - it requires the pianist to recite a poem before the last movement...
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