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John W. I worry dayly what is wrong with me. I think I have an abnormality. We do have a psychologist here who can name the disorder. I am sure the eccessive poeting sindrome or something like that.
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Please don't 'correct' that, t-p. I just love the idea of "eccessive poeting sindrome".  |
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« Reply #1307 on: 12:41:37, 03-05-2007 » |
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A robot worth its salt might reject it as an 'ill formed formula' and therefore inoperable: 'What do you want me to do when the only way to stop human beings being genocidal to each other is to use force against them?' I suspect my learned colleague will find on further investigation that that would, strictly speaking, come under the purview of the Zeroth Law.  Well, dang me, so it does! According to Wikipaedia the Asimov First Amendment goes: "A robot may not harm a human being, unless he finds a way to prove that in the final analysis, the harm done would benefit humanity in general." Actually, if taken seriously, that frightens the life out of me because of those who think they can indeed prove such things in the final analysis if we pull the camera far enough back from the suffering. Maybe we are better off with the contradiction in the First Law after all. We poor humans have to cope with the contradiction somehow so I don't see why the robots should be let off. Cue for a related and, IMHO, very telling quote from Shostakovich (or at least a quote from Volkov's Shostakovich): "Don't believe humanists, citizens, don't believe prophets...
Don't try to save humanity all at once; try saving one person first. It is a lot harder. To help one person without harming another is very difficult. It is unbelievably difficult. That's where the temptation to save all of humanity comes from. It's easier. And then, inevitably, along the way, you discover that all humanity's happiness hinges often on the destruction of a few hundred, then a million, then a few hundred million people, that's all. A trifle." |
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« Reply #1308 on: 12:43:41, 03-05-2007 » |
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Never fear, t-p. As soon as no one's nagging me and I have nothing more urgent to worry about I'll start grumping about robots.
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« Reply #1309 on: 12:51:02, 03-05-2007 » |
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"Don't believe humanists, citizens, don't believe prophets...
Don't try to save humanity all at once; try saving one person first. It is a lot harder. To help one person without harming another is very difficult. It is unbelievably difficult. That's where the temptation to save all of humanity comes from. It's easier. And then, inevitably, along the way, you discover that all humanity's happiness hinges often on the destruction of a few hundred, then a million, then a few hundred million people, that's all. A trifle."
This quote from George's post is very typical of Russian thinking after experience of 70 years of communist-socialism.
There is a poem that has a main point - be afraid of people how it should be.
I have too much of laugh today (and that is in a grumpy room, how unapropriate). Should we all be worrying (not about me, but what it will do to the world as a whole).
good buy my friends, camrades and all. I am leaving to spread the goodness of classical music around. This time it is Chopin.
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« Reply #1310 on: 12:59:43, 03-05-2007 » |
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I am leaving to spread the goodness of classical music around. Brava, t-p! What a good way to live life and how fortunate you are to be able to do it. |
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« Reply #1311 on: 13:13:00, 03-05-2007 » |
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I don't know if you've read the entire wikipedia article on the Laws, George, but I do rather like this bit: ...the military would want strong safeguards built into any robot where possible, so laws similar to Asimov's would be embedded if possible. David Langford has suggested, tongue-in-cheek, that these laws might be the following:
1. A robot will not harm authorized Government personnel but will terminate intruders with extreme prejudice.
2. A robot will obey the orders of authorized personnel except where such orders conflict with the Third Law.
3. A robot will guard its own existence with lethal antipersonnel weaponry, because a robot is bloody expensive. |
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« Reply #1312 on: 13:47:17, 03-05-2007 » |
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The real problem with the Three Laws as formulated by Doctor Asimov is in their implementation: as far as I know nobody has yet succeeded in building a robot that is capable of reliably identifying a human being. And, of course, in one of his stories, he deals with the definition of human. I'm sure the kind of people that make up the KKK would be more than happy to write a definition of human, but if a contrary definition were to be written by an asian, or australian aboriginal engineer, the result of putting two robots with differing definitions and a human, in the same room would make a story all by itself.  Things were so much simpler when stories about robots were all basically clank! clank! Aaaaargh! |
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« Reply #1313 on: 13:50:50, 03-05-2007 » |
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One can be afraid of grumpy men and nagging women (and vice versa), or UFO. T-P, if you are worried about UFOs, wear your seatbelt whenever you drive. It makes it harder for them to suck you out of the car. |
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« Reply #1314 on: 14:19:57, 03-05-2007 » |
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The economic law of robotics.
A robot shall replace a human at work if the robot is cheaper.
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« Reply #1315 on: 14:56:14, 03-05-2007 » |
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One can be afraid of grumpy men and nagging women (and vice versa), or UFO. T-P, if you are worried about UFOs, wear your seatbelt whenever you drive. It makes it harder for them to suck you out of the car. It didn't stop them getting me... |
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« Reply #1316 on: 15:07:46, 03-05-2007 » |
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One can be afraid of grumpy men and nagging women (and vice versa), or UFO. T-P, if you are worried about UFOs, wear your seatbelt whenever you drive. It makes it harder for them to suck you out of the car. Can I be the only one hoping that t-p wears a seatbelt anyway, whether being pursued by aliens or no? Clunk-Click, Every Trip, t-p! |
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« Reply #1317 on: 15:08:41, 03-05-2007 » |
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Clunk-Click, Every Trip I knew you reminded me of someone. Must be the haircut. |
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« Reply #1318 on: 15:11:45, 03-05-2007 » |
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Clunk-Click, Every Trip I knew you reminded me of someone. Must be the haircut. Now then, now then, Richard.  |
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« Reply #1319 on: 15:40:28, 03-05-2007 » |
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Flippin' heck !! The hospital I have the great honour to be employed by has announced that all the personal bank details, NI numbers, addresses etc.,etc. have all been taken along with a computer by some rotten thief !  My identity has been stolen !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Help! Help! GRRRR ! |
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